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<blockquote data-quote="dph" data-source="post: 363745" data-attributes="member: 2112"><p>You are missing one thing on tenderness Brandon. It's not about a new fangled test. It's about what we are all about, producing consistent, high quality beef. I am sure there are other genes out there for tenderness. I am under the understanding Bovigen tests for different genes in Austrailia than the do in the US because some genes they have identified don't impact tenderness in a grain-fed environment. What they have shown is cattle that carry the markers are more tender on average than cattle who don't. Its repeatable and proven. But what it is all about is what Mr. Packer decides. If Mr. Packer decides its worth his time to test and sort the meat, we now have a new standard set. And while many believe there is some sort of premium that will be added for hitting this standard and using tenderness is something producers will get paid for, the fact of the matter is it will be the same as it has always been. There won't be a premium, there will be a deduction if you don't have it. And if you are facing the deduction, I am not going to roll the dice that the bull who has no known genetic potential for tenderness is going to produce calves with tender meat.</p><p></p><p>Carcass quality is the same way. Feed efficieny is a trait that may make a heck of a difference someday on what a Feeder will pay you. And we have been promsied for sometime that feed efficiency markers are on their way.</p><p></p><p>Other traits will fall on the maternal side. Mr. Producer is the one that will ultimately decide those. Obviously it will never get to the point of being able to predict what you describe in your first post, but as the testing gets better, what are you going to spend on that test, if you are a breeder? Whether packer or producer, it's not about a test as much as it is about the marketplace someone operates in and how they plan to remain competitive in it.</p><p></p><p>As a commercial cattle guy, I don't know if we are ever going to test our cattle. Maybe at some point way, way in the future. All I would like to do, once things get further along, is use these tests to introduce genetics into my herd that make it more effecient or more profitable. For right now, with the exception of tenderness, I will stick with EPDs, confirmation, and performance.</p><p></p><p>Maybe the Michigan State student can chime in and tell us where they are at as far as research. I kind of think of it a bit like the equipment manufacturers. What did John Deere have back in the warehouse when they were rolling those 4440s out the front of it? What is it that some of the companies are out there testing to prove? I don't know if it is as far out as we all think. The ones I would most like to see are a pretty short list. Tenderness, Quality, Feed Efficiency, Udder Quality, and Calving Interval (Fertility). That's it. Give me a decent population of those genes (I won't hold out for everyone of them) in the next 5-10 years so I can use it to select bulls in conjunction with what we already use and I will be a very happy producer and I think I will have a very profitable herd.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dph, post: 363745, member: 2112"] You are missing one thing on tenderness Brandon. It's not about a new fangled test. It's about what we are all about, producing consistent, high quality beef. I am sure there are other genes out there for tenderness. I am under the understanding Bovigen tests for different genes in Austrailia than the do in the US because some genes they have identified don't impact tenderness in a grain-fed environment. What they have shown is cattle that carry the markers are more tender on average than cattle who don't. Its repeatable and proven. But what it is all about is what Mr. Packer decides. If Mr. Packer decides its worth his time to test and sort the meat, we now have a new standard set. And while many believe there is some sort of premium that will be added for hitting this standard and using tenderness is something producers will get paid for, the fact of the matter is it will be the same as it has always been. There won't be a premium, there will be a deduction if you don't have it. And if you are facing the deduction, I am not going to roll the dice that the bull who has no known genetic potential for tenderness is going to produce calves with tender meat. Carcass quality is the same way. Feed efficieny is a trait that may make a heck of a difference someday on what a Feeder will pay you. And we have been promsied for sometime that feed efficiency markers are on their way. Other traits will fall on the maternal side. Mr. Producer is the one that will ultimately decide those. Obviously it will never get to the point of being able to predict what you describe in your first post, but as the testing gets better, what are you going to spend on that test, if you are a breeder? Whether packer or producer, it's not about a test as much as it is about the marketplace someone operates in and how they plan to remain competitive in it. As a commercial cattle guy, I don't know if we are ever going to test our cattle. Maybe at some point way, way in the future. All I would like to do, once things get further along, is use these tests to introduce genetics into my herd that make it more effecient or more profitable. For right now, with the exception of tenderness, I will stick with EPDs, confirmation, and performance. Maybe the Michigan State student can chime in and tell us where they are at as far as research. I kind of think of it a bit like the equipment manufacturers. What did John Deere have back in the warehouse when they were rolling those 4440s out the front of it? What is it that some of the companies are out there testing to prove? I don't know if it is as far out as we all think. The ones I would most like to see are a pretty short list. Tenderness, Quality, Feed Efficiency, Udder Quality, and Calving Interval (Fertility). That's it. Give me a decent population of those genes (I won't hold out for everyone of them) in the next 5-10 years so I can use it to select bulls in conjunction with what we already use and I will be a very happy producer and I think I will have a very profitable herd. [/QUOTE]
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