Eight Belles

Alan

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I've been waiting for someone to post their thoughts on the Derby filly, Eight Belles. I'll jump in with both feet. Great filly beat all the boys except one, but beat the rest by 5 furlongs. She went under the wire and a few more yards and broke down, broke both front fetlocks, compound factures... put her down on the track. How could they have possibly prevented this freak accident from happening, it's just part of the game, these things happen, if you don't like it you're in the wrong game.... BS :mad: :mad: .

It's the greed of the industry of horses, not just horse racing. Yes this could have been prevented, or at least increased Eight Belles, Barbaro's, Ruffian's and many other horses chances. Simple, quit starting these BABIES as two year olds, same goes for the cutting horses. Too many 8 to 10 year old "retired" cutting horses that can hardly walk. It simply breaks down to, it's all about the money not a bit about the horse..... and no this is not a place for PETA, but this is one area of treatment of animals that is over the top. It needs the help from other areas also.

Just my rant.
Alan
 
Age may have been a factor, but her breeding was the main part of it. Unbridled is well known for producing horse with weak front ends.

Stallions do not run as many races as they used to years ago.
A horse wins a few and is retired. The majority of stallions that have raced 40+ races and retired sound to the breeding shed are all aged. Compare the old studs to the younger. The bone is being bred out of them in the search for speed. Breeding speed to speed and not looking at the entire package is becoming the TB downfall.

If I remember correctly Barbados break was due to a mis-step which could have happened to any horse regardless of age.

Did you see this?

Jockey Club, NTRA Act on Derby Death
Email Print RSS by Tom LaMarra
Date Posted: May 8, 2008
Last Updated: May 8, 2008


The death of Eight Belles has prompted action by the Jockey Club and the NTRA.

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n the wake of the fatal breakdown of the filly Eight Belles in the May 3 Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), The Jockey Club has commissioned a seven-member Thoroughbred Safety Committee, and the National Thoroughbred Racing Association board of directors has scheduled a special meeting May 9 to discuss a course of action.

Jockey Club chairman Ogden Mills “Dinny” Phipps said May 8 the new committee would be asked to review every facet of equine health, including breeding practices, medication, the rules of racing and track surfaces, and to recommend actions to be taken by the industry to improve the health and safety of Thoroughbreds.

Recommendations that have come from the two Welfare and Safety of the Racehorse summits will serve as starting points for the committee. Three of the seven members of the newly formed committee were participants in both summits.

Click here to read NTRA CEO Alex Waldrop’s latest blog entry regarding safety in the racing industry.
When contacted May 8, Bob Curran, vice president of corporate communications for The Jockey Club, acknowledged the committee was formed in response to the breakdown and subsequent euthanization of Eight Belles in her gallop-out after the Derby, in which she finished second. The incident generated a barrage of attention from the national media and animal-rights groups.

“The committee is going to meet for the first time (May 14),” Curran said. “After the meeting, it will provide a summary of its goals and a timeline (for action).”

The seven members of the committee are Stuart Janney III, who will serve as chairman; John Barr; James G. “Jimmy” Bell; Dr. Larry Bramlage; Donald Dizney, Dell Hancock; and Dr. Hiram Polk Jr. Each is a member of The Jockey Club.

“All seven of these individuals have dedicated a major part of their lives to Thoroughbred breeding and racing, and have shown a consistent and unwavering concern for the welfare of Thoroughbreds,” Phipps said in a statement. “We will reach out to involve others in the industry, and we will do everything in our power to encourage changes that will benefit the breed in any way. We will do this in a timely manner.”

Keith Chamblin, senior vice president of communications for the NTRA, said the organization supports The Jockey Club initiative. He said the special NTRA board meeting is being held to discuss the fallout from the death of Eight Belles on horse racing’s biggest stage, but further details aren't yet available.

“We’ll be discussing everything (related to the situation),” Chamblin said of the meeting agenda.

On May 8, NTRA president and chief executive officer Alex Waldop issued the following statement on the most recent developments: "The Thoroughbred Safety Committee is a major step that will provide the examination of the horse welfare and safety issues so badly needed in the wake of recent catastrophic injuries. The NTRA supports the committee’s work and plans to work closely with it to build support for the committee’s recommendations with the many constituencies we represent.

"At the same time, we will redouble our efforts to promote Thoroughbred racing to core and target fans as the safe, responsible sport that it is. Now more than ever, no practice, policy, or tradition is more important than those that best protect and promote the health of the Thoroughbred athlete."

The horseracing industry is now gearing up for the second leg of the Triple Crown, the May 17 Preakness Stakes (gr. I) at Pimlico Race Course. One animal-rights group--People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals--said it plans to hold demonstrations in conjunction with the Preakness and the June 7 Belmont Stakes (gr. I) in New York.
 
Well, it seems to me that the seven member panel is a bunch of fluff to make it seem like action is going to be taken. While I agree that you are probably right that breeders are breeding with one thing in mind and that is speed, I don't think that is the biggest issue. These horses, race horses, are being started at an age that is too young, sometimes as early as 18 months. A two year olds legs are still very much under developed, knees are still open. My issue is that if the racing industry gave these horses the extra year they needed to develope there would be far less break downs. The panel well meet to make the appearance of something getting done, but if I was to put money on it... they well "recommend" certain things get done. Track conditions, "out of sight training techniques" (which no one will police), oh yea, a more thorough pre race vet exam. Nothing that will do a thing, just fluff to show the unknowing public that they care. The racing industry's only concern is that they have had two serious break downs on the racing industry's biggest stage, the nationaly televised triple crown races..... which is only a small percentage of the racing industry's horses, does anyone hear about the break downs at Santa Anita?

As an after thought, one thing that I'm sure will happen is they will show they are more caring, as far as the public is concerned, the horse will never be put down on the track again. the offical statement will be " The number 6 horse, Too Young To Run, was given pain medication and rushed to the hospital were the country's top Veterinians worked on him through the night... To Young To Run was humanly put down early this morning after 18 hours of surgery.... or was he still put down on the track and we were fed a line through the media. I don't have any faith in the panel, the answer is don't start the horses until they hit the three year old year.... it's a no brainer.

Still ranting :D ,
Alan
 
IMHO Horse Racing as well as all of the other human and non-human "sports" are controlled by power, greed, money, egos, and other "deadly sins"....

The "professional" sports teams, including all contact sports, are just a modified and perhaps "more humane" form of the Roman Circuses and Chariot Races...let's not forget the "feeding Christians to the lions" games, etc.

It's the owners of these "players" and events that are power and status hungry as well as thinking more about the potential money they can earn. These owners buy and sell football players, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc., players like cars and trucks. If these "commodoties" are not producing income for the owners (or other benefits) they are sold or discarded at will...same goes for the Coaches...

Off my rant now...lol. Peace!
 
I have always started my horses at 24 months. This means they actually have a rider on them within a week or two of their 2 year birthday. These are just ranch horses and I also start them slowly often not riding them for more than a 1/2 hour several times a week and then nothing really hard and in soft sand. They do not get rode hard till they are three. That is just the way my dad did it and it worked for us so I continue with his method.

I would vote for a 4YO limit on these horse races since they are breeding for speed rather than good bone density that would promote durability.

I see folks all the time around here getting their horse hocks injected because they are having "stiff joints". I wonder if many of these cases are a result of too much too early. Knock on wood neither myself nor my family ever had horse that ever had stiff joints. Could this be because we eased them into work?
 
flaboy":8javasxm said:
I have always started my horses at 24 months. This means they actually have a rider on them within a week or two of their 2 year birthday. These are just ranch horses and I also start them slowly often not riding them for more than a 1/2 hour several times a week and then nothing really hard and in soft sand. They do not get rode hard till they are three. That is just the way my dad did it and it worked for us so I continue with his method.

I have no problem with that method at all; I have seem pics of you, your not 260lbs, your on soft ground and light working conditions. Your not jumping on a 20 month old horse and running him around the track with another horse, or asking for a sliding stop or a spin. I on the other hand I am 260lbs, my youngsters go to a guy who is 135lbs and he starts them.... If you mix green with gray you get broken bones. :D

I would vote for a 4YO limit on these horse races since they are breeding for speed rather than good bone density that would promote durability.

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I see folks all the time around here getting their horse hocks injected because they are having "stiff joints". I wonder if many of these cases are a result of too much too early. Knock on wood neither myself nor my family ever had horse that ever had stiff joints. Could this be because we eased them into work?

Yes, I think your are doing thing right, easy start, light work.

Alan
 
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She must have been one hell of a horse since the only horse that beat her was trained by someone kicked out of Canada a couple years back for questionable reasons!
 
Onthebit":20c38q2k said:
She must have been one be nice of a horse since the only horse that beat her was trained by someone kicked out of Canada a couple years back for questionable reasons!


That's right, the trainer of Big Brown has had horses test positive for performance drugs every year since 2001... according to a report by Real Sports..... and still training. :roll:

Alan
 

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