Dropping Crimes rates

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Americans, take solace: While your chances of landing a job these days might not be great, you’re also less likely to be murdered, or robbed or to have your car stolen.

The rate of major crimes in the U.S. continues to drop – even during the recent recession and its aftermath – and crime experts aren’t sure why.

"I am surprised by the overall decline in both violent and property crime during and since the recent recession. I’ve studied crime trends in relation to economic conditions for some time, and the 2008-09 recession is the first time since WW II that crime rates have not risen during a substantial downturn in the economy,” says Richard Rosenfeld, a professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and past president of the American Society of Criminology.
What’s pushing it down is the mystery meat in the recipe of recent years,” says Franklin Zimring, a criminologist and UC Berkeley law professor who has written several books on crime-related topics.

According to recently released FBI crime statistics, the number of violent crimes -- murder and non-negligent homicide, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault -- reported in the first six months of 2011 declined 6.4 percent compared with the first six months of 2010. The number of property crimes (burglary, larceny-theft and motor vehicle theft) decreased 3.7 percent for the same time frame.

The report is based on information from more than 12,500 law enforcement agencies and shows the continuation of a downward trend in crime that began in 2008.

It’s also part of a broader, longer-term trend: Between 1991 and 2010, the homicide rate fell 51 percent and property crimes dropped 64 percent. Crime rates decreased significantly during the 1990s before flattening out at the start of the new century.

The statistical trend is puzzling and not easily explained.

More offenders were being put behind bars and the U.S. economy boomed in the 1990s, so maybe that had something to do with the decline, Zimring notes. But then, how do you explain the decline in the past three or so years, when incarceration rates have flattened out and the economy has gone to hell?

“By both the left- and right-wing leading indicators we should be in a lot of trouble – except (we’re) not,” Zimring says. “Everything we thought we knew are deeply challenged by events by the last three years.”

Rosenfeld thinks smarter policing has contributed in many places (including New York and Los Angeles). But he says it cannot explain the entire decline, since in most places policing is much the same as it was 10 years ago.

And tougher sentencing isn’t the answer either, since national imprisonment rates are also on the decline, albeit modestly.

“One overlooked economic factor is inflation, or rather the very low levels of inflation during the past few years,” Rosenfeld wrote in an email to msnbc.com. “High rates of inflation are connected with high crime rates, so when inflation drops we should expect corresponding declines in crime, in the first instance property crime.”

IT'S REALLY SIMPLE THE SAME TIME FRAME HAS MARKED A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LEGALLY ARMED CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE RIGHT WHO IS PACKING MORE. IT CUTS ACROSS POLITICAL BARRIERS. FOLKS ARE TIRED OF BEING VICTIMIZED AND ARE ARMING THEMSELVES AT A DRAMATIC RATE.
 
I thought it was more because even the criminals cant afford to drive anywhere. Including their victims house
 
hooknline":34xxuhlb said:
I thought it was more because even the criminals cant afford to drive anywhere. Including their victims house

You missed the part where Carjackings are also down!
 
When I think about it, the percentage of people I know that carry a concealed weapon now, versus 5-10 years ago, would make me skeeered to be a criminal.
 
Isomade":2c2ba962 said:
When I think about it, the percentage of people I know that carry a concealed weapon now, versus 5-10 years ago, would make me skeeered to be a criminal.

THAT, grasshopper, was the whole point of this thread. :nod:
 
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regolith":1wfhk27k said:
Did they eliminate the possibility of a decline in reporting crimes?

probably a big factor; also the way the gov't reports crime is another factor. with the population going upward (in all the wrong places) it is unlikely that crime has significantly decreased. of course the statistical significance of a study of this kind is rarely provided.....
 
The twenty year trend is the same in Sweden and our neighbouring countries, with aproxiamately the same gun count then as now, basically only hunters and some sportsmen have guns. We have always had less crime than you guys.
Go figure... :2cents:
 
ANAZAZI":znv5tiym said:
The twenty year trend is the same in Sweden and our neighbouring countries, with aproxiamately the same gun count then as now, basically only hunters and some sportsmen have guns. We have always had less crime than you guys.
Go figure... :2cents:

Not sure if Sweden has a revolving door on their jails like we do. If you don't, then this could be the reason. Our local law enforcement recently arrested a homosexual devient who preyed on children for the fourth time. They say that "THIS TIME" he is really going to be punished harshly. I suspect, based on his last sentences, they mean he is going to have to stay in jail for a few months rather than days.
 
3waycross":2fen3acb said:
Isomade":2fen3acb said:
When I think about it, the percentage of people I know that carry a concealed weapon now, versus 5-10 years ago, would make me skeeered to be a criminal.

THAT, grasshopper, was the whole point of this thread. :nod:

The best part; anti-gunner liberals just hate the facts.
 
Some say it has something to do with the appointment of Obama... or perhaps the availability of legal abortion :hide:
 
alisonb":2ns0nlig said:
Some say it has something to do with the appointment of Obama... or perhaps the availability of legal abortion :hide:

Ali there is a picture of Obama in almost every gun store in America with the caption "Salesman of the Month". He has done more to arm America that all the preceding presidents combined.

BTW the operative word re Obama is ANNOINTMENT :frowns:

I won't touch the abortion theory!!
 
ANAZAZI":2jpenmoz said:
The twenty year trend is the same in Sweden and our neighbouring countries, with aproxiamately the same gun count then as now, basically only hunters and some sportsmen have guns. We have always had less crime than you guys.
Go figure... :2cents:


I figure real well. It's always been because you have had a homogynous society. We certainly don't and the crime statistics will bear that out!

I forgot one other thing. Doesn't crime usually drop under Sharia law?
 
Show me a TEXAN that doesn't own one or more guns and I will show you a victim. BTW, a "Texan" only applies to those born in the State of Texas (or) pro-gunners that have moved here from the liberal, oppressive States... :cowboy:
 
I read somewhere the other day that 2010 broke all previous records for firearm sales and December of 2011 broke every record for the month of December for firearm sales. I know I added 2 or 3 to my "collection" this year and increased my on-hand stock of ammo. CCW permit applications have also increased here in the last couple of years. Just about everybody I know has one.
 
Jogeephus":1pgjrdnq said:
Not sure if Sweden has a revolving door on their jails like we do. If you don't, then this could be the reason. Our local law enforcement recently arrested a homosexual devient who preyed on children for the fourth time. They say that "THIS TIME" he is really going to be punished harshly. I suspect, based on his last sentences, they mean he is going to have to stay in jail for a few months rather than days.

We put those in mental hospitals; often for life.
 
3waycross":8b3eqchs said:
ANAZAZI":8b3eqchs said:
The twenty year trend is the same in Sweden and our neighbouring countries, with aproxiamately the same gun count then as now, basically only hunters and some sportsmen have guns. We have always had less crime than you guys.
Go figure... :2cents:


I figure real well. It's always been because you have had a homogynous society. We certainly don't and the crime statistics will bear that out!

I forgot one other thing. Doesn't crime usually drop under Sharia law?


We will not need such laws; the shame of breaking the law works just fine, because honour is important in our society.
 
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