Don't do that...........

[Kingfisher]

is what this fellow told me tonight. I was telling him how I was planning on trying some of this http://redrivercrabgrass.com/ on a small patch. He says " don't plant anything that ain't native" " I know OK is close but that grass ain't native here." Where he lives and where I plan to plant are miles away but I wonder about the wisdom or maybe the naive of his opinion. Surely in a broad sense he his spot on but grass is grass and if the levels are right who says what will grow where? Thanks in advance and Happy Valentines!

 

[jedstivers]

:bang: :bang: :bang:
It's effing grass, it's a small patch. So what if it doesn't work. I just really get tired of those guys that come up with some of that stuff.

 

[Isomade]

That's a bunch of hog wash. Bermuda ain't native either. Wasn't even brought to the states till the mid 1750s.

 

[JSCATTLE]

I'm planning on planting red river this spring . It's expensive and hard to find . From what I was told by the guy who grows the seed in Oklahoma it's pretty adaptable . Nothing will work If you don't try it . I was told for 4 years that coastal Bermuda wouldn't grow in my hayfield because it stays wet in the winter . Well I finally planted it . My neighbor cut 7 rolls on 20 acres last year I cut 40 on 15 . 3 years ago I averaged 100 rolls a cutting on that 15 acres and he got 80 . My point is sometimes you have to try new things .

 

[Kingfisher]

:bang: :bang: :bang:
It's effing grass, it's a small patch. So what if it doesn't work. I just really get tired of those guys that come up with some of that stuff.

If I did not know you...........what do you really think?

 

[jedstivers]

:bang: :bang: :bang:
It's effing grass, it's a small patch. So what if it doesn't work. I just really get tired of those guys that come up with some of that stuff.

If I did not know you...........what do you really think?

I can't type that much, nothing ventured nothing gained. 8)

 

[Kingfisher]

I'm planning on planting red river this spring . It's expensive and hard to find . From what I was told by the guy who grows the seed in Oklahoma it's pretty adaptable . Nothing will work If you don't try it . I was told for 4 years that coastal Bermuda wouldn't grow in my hayfield because it stays wet in the winter . Well I finally planted it . My neighbor cut 7 rolls on 20 acres last year I cut 40 on 15 . 3 years ago I averaged 100 rolls a cutting on that 15 acres and he got 80 . My point is sometimes you have to try new things .

Well............my soil test came up about .2 little on one test and the fellow told me " it might not work too well." I was off on my Ph for what their tests have shown. I do not trust my soil sample. I think I have some dirt that with a little nudge will grow just about
any thing I want it to grow. I say that despite the results " Whitewing" has had far south of me. You fellows have confinced me
that growing grass is where it is at and I'm sticking to that. I really think despite the obstacles that if I can not learn to grow grass where I am, then the rest of the cycle is just pure work. I really don't like work so I hope you might be able to lend a hand.

 

[jedstivers]

Your a grass grower, not a cow grower. The cow is to harvest the grass. That's what I like about running stockers in my cotton and grain fields in the winter. I have harvesters running 24/7 through the winter.

 

[Kingfisher]

Your a grass grower, not a cow grower. The cow is to harvest the grass. That's what I like about running stockers in my cotton and grain fields in the winter. I have harvesters running 24/7 through the winter.

Cain't fault your train...........Thanks for all you do around here. Peace.

 

[Kingfisher]

Your a grass grower, not a cow grower. The cow is to harvest the grass. That's what I like about running stockers in my cotton and grain fields in the winter. I have harvesters running 24/7 through the winter.

Far as I can tell cows don't eat Cotton in Texas.......how do you make that work for ya?

 

[novatech]

The people at the NRCS office here start to hyperventilate at the mention of planting non native plants and I believe they are the ones that promote this nonsense.I believe in promoting native wild life but I believe in being able to make a profit also. I chose some of the grass varieties because of there similar characteristics to the natives, only better. My bluestem could be used as an example. I have native little bluestem, so I chose to use some WW B Dahl. The Dahl will out produce the native and is more drought tolerant and fertilizer efficient. With our recent drought the wild life had something to eat, not to mention the cattle.
With that being said if you have a native crab grass then the redriver may do better.
(My smart A remark back to the native only people is that if they truly believe that only natives should be planted then more than likely they should also pack their A up and leave as they are also not native either. :lol2: )

 

[jedstivers]

Your a grass grower, not a cow grower. The cow is to harvest the grass. That's what I like about running stockers in my cotton and grain fields in the winter. I have harvesters running 24/7 through the winter.

Far as I can tell cows don't eat Cotton in Texas.......how do you make that work for ya?

They eat it all over the south. Been doing that since hand picking went away and there was left over cotton. Sometimes to get them to start you have to feed some cotton seed or if you have some that already do the others learn quick.
On my cows that are here year round I can lead them with a bucket of cotton just like with cubes.

In a few days this was blacked out.

 

[plumber_greg]

Jed, they EAT the balls of cotton???

 

[circlew]

If you have an old truck in your pastures with old cotton seats, the cows will rip the seats apart and suck the cotton out. :cowboy:

 

[jedstivers]

Jed, they EAT the balls of cotton???

Yep, it's called bolls though. Bolls have 4 to 5 locks, what you see are locks that didn't pick. The lint has protein but it also has seed in it and that's where the goody is. When they get into a field that had modules setting in it they think it's Christmas day.

 

[Bigfoot]

Amazing. No cotton in my area. I had no idea this went on.

 

[Ouachita]

Very interesting operation jed. I've drivin through that area a few times. Stopped just long enough to gleen a few pieces of cotton to show the kids. Been over 10 years. Is Riddell still operating

 

[jedstivers]

Very interesting operation jed. I've drivin through that area a few times. Stopped just long enough to gleen a few pieces of cotton to show the kids. Been over 10 years. Is Riddell still operating

Yes he's still going. They had a big hanger fire a year or ago. I think it's his son running it now but not sure.

 

[lavacarancher]

The people at the NRCS office here start to hyperventilate at the mention of planting non native plants and I believe they are the ones that promote this nonsense.I believe in promoting native wild life but I believe in being able to make a profit also. I chose some of the grass varieties because of there similar characteristics to the natives, only better. My bluestem could be used as an example. I have native little bluestem, so I chose to use some WW B Dahl. The Dahl will out produce the native and is more drought tolerant and fertilizer efficient. With our recent drought the wild life had something to eat, not to mention the cattle.
With that being said if you have a native crab grass then the redriver may do better.
(My smart A remark back to the native only people is that if they truly believe that only natives should be planted then more than likely they should also pack their A up and leave as they are also not native either. :lol2: )

I think you're right. Had a conversation with my local NRCS man about wildlife, quail in particular. I asked if the fireants were the cause of the demise of quail in my area and he said it was because folks plant non-native grasses that is not a natural habitat for them. May be he's right.

Bluestem, I'm told, is a native Texas grass. Gordo Bluestem and B Dahl are hybrids. The hybrids do very well in my area but they do like heavier soil. Switchgrass is also a native (to Texas) and I can't get a blade of it up. Already spent over $1K trying to establish it but not spending another penny. So I stick to Coastal, Bohia, T85, and Gordo Bluestem, all non-native. You gotta grow what you can and you'll never know until you try.

 

[novatech]

I think you're right. Had a conversation with my local NRCS man about wildlife, quail in particular. I asked if the fireants were the cause of the demise of quail in my area and he said it was because folks plant non-native grasses that is not a natural habitat for them. May be he's right.

Bluestem, I'm told, is a native Texas grass. Gordo Bluestem and B Dahl are hybrids. The hybrids do very well in my area but they do like heavier soil. Switchgrass is also a native (to Texas) and I can't get a blade of it up. Already spent over $1K trying to establish it but not spending another penny. So I stick to Coastal, Bohia, T85, and Gordo Bluestem, all non-native. You gotta grow what you can and you'll never know until you try.

The quail like the WW B Dahl and it also supresses fire ants. It is also doing OK on the 7.8 pH clay I have.