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<blockquote data-quote="CattleMan1920" data-source="post: 1558313" data-attributes="member: 37967"><p>We never trim feet on our bulls. Ever! Every bull gets a BSE before leaving the ranch. Our bulls eat some exceptional hay and get a grain supplement after weaning, (not before, no creep) right up until they are ready to leave the farm. If there are ever any issues with the bull that is our responsibility, then that bull will be replaced immediately.</p><p></p><p>As for not using our own bulls. The weather has become so bad here that we put three bulls out to work a couple days ago and have forgone AI on a few groups for now.</p><p></p><p>They probably won't deliver calves that are on par with those out of SAV President, but they should be well above average. </p><p></p><p>One is an Unmistakable son we have out of a McCumber Angus (a more than average operation if you do your homework), and grandson of OCC Unmistakable. I think OCC produces cattle for real cattlemen right? The other is a son out of Crook Mt Black Cedar 3870, a bull bred by Jim Willson and Frei Angus in South Dakota. (A hidden gem of a ranch, that few folks know about) </p><p></p><p>The son we are using out of the Crook Mount Black Cedar 3870 bull and a Joy Erica dam probably has the best feet I have ever seen on an Angus bull on our operation. The sire is from a herd that has some of the VERY BEST feet in the Angus breed, AND they run a feedlot, AND they check off all the things that you commercial producers require. In fact, they have a commercial operation FYI.</p><p></p><p>I don't "prop up" anything, but yes the inputs we feed are the best. Why would any sensible person request a bull that had been developed on low quality, substandard nutrition? That's not a smart move if you want a high-performance bull, but some people have to learn the hard way, with cows that remain open. I've heard plenty of stories of bulls that didn't get the job done, and open cows are expensive for the commercial producer.</p><p></p><p>Our bulls go into service around 15-18 months, and they are NOT treated like powder puffs. Once they leave here, their best days are behind them for the most part because they are going to be used hard. In Kentucky, it is not uncommon for someone to buy a nice bull, use him, then haul him to a relatives farm, use him some more, then let 2-3 neighbors use him, before he goes to the stockyards, is purchased again, and is used until he dies in the field. Life ain't so easy for a bull in Kentucky.</p><p></p><p>Here is a sample of one of our homegrown, "over conditioned, super fat, slow, non-athletic, powderpuffs" you describe on here without ever stepping foot on our operation. This bull really isn't any of above, he's an athlete, with great feet, he will settle 25-30 as a 15 month with ease. We have him at work right now and have no doubt that he will produce some nice daughters and sons/steers. Without getting into it with you guys, I don't understand how you all have a complete grasp of our operation, and talk it down, without coming over and walking around the cattle. You are acting more like armchair quarterbacks than cattlemen.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/153" target="_blank"><img src="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/153/mini" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p></p><p>By the way, on the recommendation of Bright Raven, here are some pics of our Stone Gate sire taking care of some ladies a few days ago. Let me know if you if you want some sons out of him. Not too many bulls in Kentucky that look as good as him, he's the real article.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/155" target="_blank"><img src="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/155/mini" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/156" target="_blank"><img src="https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/156/mini" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleMan1920, post: 1558313, member: 37967"] We never trim feet on our bulls. Ever! Every bull gets a BSE before leaving the ranch. Our bulls eat some exceptional hay and get a grain supplement after weaning, (not before, no creep) right up until they are ready to leave the farm. If there are ever any issues with the bull that is our responsibility, then that bull will be replaced immediately. As for not using our own bulls. The weather has become so bad here that we put three bulls out to work a couple days ago and have forgone AI on a few groups for now. They probably won't deliver calves that are on par with those out of SAV President, but they should be well above average. One is an Unmistakable son we have out of a McCumber Angus (a more than average operation if you do your homework), and grandson of OCC Unmistakable. I think OCC produces cattle for real cattlemen right? The other is a son out of Crook Mt Black Cedar 3870, a bull bred by Jim Willson and Frei Angus in South Dakota. (A hidden gem of a ranch, that few folks know about) The son we are using out of the Crook Mount Black Cedar 3870 bull and a Joy Erica dam probably has the best feet I have ever seen on an Angus bull on our operation. The sire is from a herd that has some of the VERY BEST feet in the Angus breed, AND they run a feedlot, AND they check off all the things that you commercial producers require. In fact, they have a commercial operation FYI. I don't "prop up" anything, but yes the inputs we feed are the best. Why would any sensible person request a bull that had been developed on low quality, substandard nutrition? That's not a smart move if you want a high-performance bull, but some people have to learn the hard way, with cows that remain open. I've heard plenty of stories of bulls that didn't get the job done, and open cows are expensive for the commercial producer. Our bulls go into service around 15-18 months, and they are NOT treated like powder puffs. Once they leave here, their best days are behind them for the most part because they are going to be used hard. In Kentucky, it is not uncommon for someone to buy a nice bull, use him, then haul him to a relatives farm, use him some more, then let 2-3 neighbors use him, before he goes to the stockyards, is purchased again, and is used until he dies in the field. Life ain't so easy for a bull in Kentucky. Here is a sample of one of our homegrown, "over conditioned, super fat, slow, non-athletic, powderpuffs" you describe on here without ever stepping foot on our operation. This bull really isn't any of above, he's an athlete, with great feet, he will settle 25-30 as a 15 month with ease. We have him at work right now and have no doubt that he will produce some nice daughters and sons/steers. Without getting into it with you guys, I don't understand how you all have a complete grasp of our operation, and talk it down, without coming over and walking around the cattle. You are acting more like armchair quarterbacks than cattlemen. [url=https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/153][img]https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/153/mini[/img][/url] By the way, on the recommendation of Bright Raven, here are some pics of our Stone Gate sire taking care of some ladies a few days ago. Let me know if you if you want some sons out of him. Not too many bulls in Kentucky that look as good as him, he's the real article. [url=https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/155][img]https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/155/mini[/img][/url] [url=https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/156][img]https://cattletoday.com/forum/app.php/gallery/image/156/mini[/img][/url] [/QUOTE]
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