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<blockquote data-quote="CattleMan1920" data-source="post: 1556259" data-attributes="member: 37967"><p>Those were out of Crook Mt Black Cedar and McCumber Unmistakable. We did not breed them, they were Stone Gate bulls. The price was to move them out ahead of winter. They were under 12 months. Sons out of Stone Gate Kingston are over $3000 and every son we have offered out of him has sold at that price or above. </p><p></p><p>Ebenezer, do you seem to think that only YOU can breed a top animal? I have not been on here long but it appears to me that you think that using AI, working hard to improve, and caring for your cattle is a fools errand. The real plan is to follow your advice to the letter, and only after many years if ever will we reach the level of the master, kinda like "Karate Kid" right? I've complimented fellow board members on their cattle and what they are doing, but you....it's nothing but critical analysis, as if you are cutting and pasting from a university textbook. I've seen cattle on CT that I think leave much to be desired but I don't put down the owner and the animal directly. Others on here have ripped on me, but you have a far deeper criticism, not just of me but others. Walk the walk, don't just talk the talk. Everything doesn't go right out here, not everything is a win. We do try really hard, work full time on our operation, and offer high quality animals to our clients, if that's shameless promotion so be it. Do you complain when people advertise in Angus Journal or Angus Bulletin? Is it too low rent for you? Should cattle be discussed over drinks at the 19th hole or during a fox hunt? </p><p></p><p>I've seen your cattle, at least what you have posted on here and I have reserved comment for the most part, I do believe I said something, and it was positive. You on the other hand, it pains you to offer a complement. I meet people like you around here. I could have VAR Power Play sitting out in the field and they would say, not knowing who the bull is, "I've seen much better, in fact I've bred much better, his legs are wrong, his feet are bad etc." Yet unbeknownst to them it's a million dollar plus bull.</p><p></p><p>I'm not losing any business by mentioning other Angus producers that sell around here. I don't care if a buyer heads over to Boyd's or Stone Gate, in fact we send buyers there. We don't lose when they make a sale. There is plenty of room for improvement in Kentucky cattle and MANY Angus bulls are needed to do the job. Lots of business for everyone, you have a scarcity mentality though, and think that if someone gains, then someone else had to have lost. Recently someone was getting started in Angus and we didn't have any females for sale so we gave them Boyd's number and Stone Gate's number and offered to help them. If what you are selling is garbage then I guess you should worry about your competition, that's not the case with us. If someone wants a Baldridge Colonel daughter or several of them and they can't get it at Stone Gate or Boyd's, then we have them. Simple as that. If we were breeding to Rampage or KCF Bennett Fortress (two fine bulls, but we don't use them) then yes, there might be some competition of some sort because so many producers have sons or daughters out of those bulls for sale in Kentucky, but Boyd's, Stone Gate, and Solid Rock Angus don't breed for the most part to the sires we do. They all have a different plan. I guarantee you that a SAV Raindance heifer or SAV President son will not be offered at Stone Gate in 2019, nor probably ever for that matter. We will soon be breeding some combinations using VAR Explorer 6293, AAA 18417046 and our SAV President daughters, tell me who will have those calves available? That takes years of work to achieve and you act as if it's nothing, as if the effort was a joke.</p><p></p><p>I mentioned a Connealy Capitalist/SAV President cross, tell me, do you think one snaps a finger and that suddenly happens, it takes years, you know that. We have a Hoover Dam daughter out of a Eurotia cow who is settled to Bubs Southern Charm, do you think that progeny will be easy to obtain? There are a lot of other combinations in the works right now, that I won't share yet, but they aren't something that came about lickety split.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleMan1920, post: 1556259, member: 37967"] Those were out of Crook Mt Black Cedar and McCumber Unmistakable. We did not breed them, they were Stone Gate bulls. The price was to move them out ahead of winter. They were under 12 months. Sons out of Stone Gate Kingston are over $3000 and every son we have offered out of him has sold at that price or above. Ebenezer, do you seem to think that only YOU can breed a top animal? I have not been on here long but it appears to me that you think that using AI, working hard to improve, and caring for your cattle is a fools errand. The real plan is to follow your advice to the letter, and only after many years if ever will we reach the level of the master, kinda like “Karate Kid” right? I’ve complimented fellow board members on their cattle and what they are doing, but you....it’s nothing but critical analysis, as if you are cutting and pasting from a university textbook. I’ve seen cattle on CT that I think leave much to be desired but I don’t put down the owner and the animal directly. Others on here have ripped on me, but you have a far deeper criticism, not just of me but others. Walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk. Everything doesn’t go right out here, not everything is a win. We do try really hard, work full time on our operation, and offer high quality animals to our clients, if that’s shameless promotion so be it. Do you complain when people advertise in Angus Journal or Angus Bulletin? Is it too low rent for you? Should cattle be discussed over drinks at the 19th hole or during a fox hunt? I’ve seen your cattle, at least what you have posted on here and I have reserved comment for the most part, I do believe I said something, and it was positive. You on the other hand, it pains you to offer a complement. I meet people like you around here. I could have VAR Power Play sitting out in the field and they would say, not knowing who the bull is, “I’ve seen much better, in fact I’ve bred much better, his legs are wrong, his feet are bad etc.” Yet unbeknownst to them it’s a million dollar plus bull. I’m not losing any business by mentioning other Angus producers that sell around here. I don’t care if a buyer heads over to Boyd’s or Stone Gate, in fact we send buyers there. We don’t lose when they make a sale. There is plenty of room for improvement in Kentucky cattle and MANY Angus bulls are needed to do the job. Lots of business for everyone, you have a scarcity mentality though, and think that if someone gains, then someone else had to have lost. Recently someone was getting started in Angus and we didn’t have any females for sale so we gave them Boyd’s number and Stone Gate’s number and offered to help them. If what you are selling is garbage then I guess you should worry about your competition, that’s not the case with us. If someone wants a Baldridge Colonel daughter or several of them and they can’t get it at Stone Gate or Boyd’s, then we have them. Simple as that. If we were breeding to Rampage or KCF Bennett Fortress (two fine bulls, but we don’t use them) then yes, there might be some competition of some sort because so many producers have sons or daughters out of those bulls for sale in Kentucky, but Boyd’s, Stone Gate, and Solid Rock Angus don’t breed for the most part to the sires we do. They all have a different plan. I guarantee you that a SAV Raindance heifer or SAV President son will not be offered at Stone Gate in 2019, nor probably ever for that matter. We will soon be breeding some combinations using VAR Explorer 6293, AAA 18417046 and our SAV President daughters, tell me who will have those calves available? That takes years of work to achieve and you act as if it’s nothing, as if the effort was a joke. I mentioned a Connealy Capitalist/SAV President cross, tell me, do you think one snaps a finger and that suddenly happens, it takes years, you know that. We have a Hoover Dam daughter out of a Eurotia cow who is settled to Bubs Southern Charm, do you think that progeny will be easy to obtain? There are a lot of other combinations in the works right now, that I won’t share yet, but they aren’t something that came about lickety split. [/QUOTE]
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