Here are a few of the gems; it is pretty scary the way some people think:
pescetarian on Oct 2, 4:57 AM said:
@TheMerc: The animals aren't eating grass, idiot. They're caged in factory farms living in their own waste.
EAG on Sep 30, 6:38 PM said:
@AA: I'm never sure if your logic includes overlooking the obvious or if this may be an "ah ha" moment for you. Most of us understand that the amount of food & water required to feed the cow/pig/chicken/turkey could have fed many more starving slave labourers. By not eating animals, vegetarians are wholeheartedly pro-human, if not on purpose, by default. Get it?
EAG on Sep 30, 11:06 PM said:
@TheMerc: Newsflash: that idea you have that the animals you are eating are wandering the pastures, eating grass and sipping from ponds is simply not based on reality. In the US, more than 70 percent of the grain and cereals grown are fed to farmed animals. It takes up to 13 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of meat. Not to mention the water used to grow the crops, the water the animals drink, the water used to clean the areas inhabited by the livestock, the water used in the slaughterhouses, the meat packing warehouses etc etc...
EAG on Sep 30, 11:19 PM said:
@TheMerc: Here is an article written in 1997, so you can imagine the numbers are much higher now based on our growing population, but it will give you an idea of how unsustainable the meat industry is, especially when put in perspective as to the amount of grain fed to livestock that could be feeding humans.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/199 ... estock-eat
pescetarian on Oct 2, 5:01 AM said:
@TheMerc: For the millionth time, THESE ANIMALS ARE NOT EATING GRASS. THEY ARE EATING CORN MEAL.
jc on Sep 30, 5:34 PM said:
@OWC55: Just how happy can a local, sustainable, natural, organic, GMO-free, free-range, grass-fed, pasture-raised, antibiotic-free, hormone-free, cage-free, free-run, free-roaming, home-raised, free-farmed, small-farmed, certified-humane animal be, when she's raped, her offspring is kidnapped, her reproductive system is exploited and then is brutally murdered in the prime of her life - all for some 'caring' consumer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE and
http://www.veganvideo.org
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6 15 TheMerc on Sep 30, 7:58 PM said:
@jc: "when she's raped, her offspring is kidnapped, her reproductive system is exploited and then is brutally murdered in the prime of her life - all for some 'caring' consumer"
"when she's raped" The females are only receptive when they are in estrus. If they are not in standing heat, they will not be receptive and not breed. When they are in standing heat they will squat and wait for the bull/ram/billy/male to breed her.
"her offspring is kidnapped," Most ruminants birth in the spring when there is the most grass and it is the best quality to facilitate lactation--more production of milk. They nurse all during the growing season. Your kidnapping apparently refers to the weaning process. If the young were not weaned before the winter, she would get taken down in body condition or "fatness" and starve during the winter.
"reproductive system is exploited" If people didn't want meat the animals would not need to exist. So advocating not eating meat kills animals.
"brutally murdered in the prime of her life" If a female is of breeding quality she is kept as long as she can economically be sustained. As long as she will keep breeding and keep producing offspring she will be kept. The males who aren't breeding quality, (more in number) are slaughtered as are nonreplacement females, but care is given to give them the best conditions for growth, that is to say to make sure they are always full and growing. So their days, although shortened, are provided with food whether grass or feed.
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4 14 TheMerc on Sep 30, 9:07 PM said:
@TheMerc: Basically nonbreeding males have 2 bad days in their lifetime. Nonbreeding females have 1 bad day in their lifetime- the day they are in line at the kill facility. How many bad days have you had?
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1 0 pescetarian on Oct 2, 5:13 AM said:
@TheMerc: OK you are seriously misinformed. Male calves are sold to the veal industry (thus kidnapping) after weaning, females are sold as milking cows to other farms, and once in a blue moon kept. Bulls almost NEVER impregnate cows anymore, instead a farmer shoves his arm up her rectum to guide an injector into her uteris when she is ovulating. These cows are tethered up and in a great amount of discomfort. (how would you like a fist in your butt while you're being semen-probed?) That is animal rape.
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[email protected] on Oct 2, 4:55 PM said:
@pescetarian: The only thing you've written worth commenting on is"a farmer shoves his arm up her rectum to guide an injector into her uteris when she is ovulating."
How in the WORLD do you get to the uteris through the rectum? Seriously?
It is amazing you are trying to tell a farmer how to farm. The vast majority don't AI.
Just about 100% of beef mama cows are kept on pasture and/or hay year round unless there is too much snow, then sometimes up north they are put in a barn until the weather is nice. Veal is a VERY small percentage. I don't know if it is even 1% of male calves. Just about all male calves are raised either on grass or after weaning they are sent to feedlot. It depends on the economics.
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