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<blockquote data-quote="CattleMan1920" data-source="post: 1578417" data-attributes="member: 37967"><p>It would have been really interesting to have seen one of those bulls developed with my nutrition program and compared him to a strictly grass developed bull. </p><p></p><p>Grain is not evil, and I don't know where you all learned that? I think it's more economics than anything. Zero inputs means more dollars in the pocket, but like I said before, you can be penny wise and pound foolish in developing a bull. But what do I know right? It's a bit presumptuous to think that you are so knowledgeable that you can accurately say whether or not your animals have everything they possibly need in their diet from grass alone to reach maximum genetic potential. If you know that, then you need to be a research scientist writing PhD level papers. </p><p></p><p>The notion that my bulls never see grass is stupid, I think you can see from my latest video that they have more inputs than they could ever possibly eat, ladino and red clover, fescue, ryegrass, timothy, and orchard grass. They get a pretty healthy diet to say the least. Our bulls have at least 3-4 acres a piece, so overstocking is not a deciding factor in developing them with grain. They get a ration every day because there are things I have mixed in the grain that makes it possible for them to take what they consume from foraging and process it even more completely than they would otherwise. </p><p></p><p>The best way to think about it is to compare an old engine to a new engine. The new engines can make a lot more horsepower with technology, not displacement. I digress. To each their own, you will never be convinced of what I say, nor do I really care to expound on this. The bulls at the top of the thread are really nice, regardless of their breed and their diet, they have merit that's for sure, and I fully acknowledge that fact.</p><p></p><p>I just give mine premium versus regular.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleMan1920, post: 1578417, member: 37967"] It would have been really interesting to have seen one of those bulls developed with my nutrition program and compared him to a strictly grass developed bull. Grain is not evil, and I don’t know where you all learned that? I think it’s more economics than anything. Zero inputs means more dollars in the pocket, but like I said before, you can be penny wise and pound foolish in developing a bull. But what do I know right? It’s a bit presumptuous to think that you are so knowledgeable that you can accurately say whether or not your animals have everything they possibly need in their diet from grass alone to reach maximum genetic potential. If you know that, then you need to be a research scientist writing PhD level papers. The notion that my bulls never see grass is stupid, I think you can see from my latest video that they have more inputs than they could ever possibly eat, ladino and red clover, fescue, ryegrass, timothy, and orchard grass. They get a pretty healthy diet to say the least. Our bulls have at least 3-4 acres a piece, so overstocking is not a deciding factor in developing them with grain. They get a ration every day because there are things I have mixed in the grain that makes it possible for them to take what they consume from foraging and process it even more completely than they would otherwise. The best way to think about it is to compare an old engine to a new engine. The new engines can make a lot more horsepower with technology, not displacement. I digress. To each their own, you will never be convinced of what I say, nor do I really care to expound on this. The bulls at the top of the thread are really nice, regardless of their breed and their diet, they have merit that’s for sure, and I fully acknowledge that fact. I just give mine premium versus regular. [/QUOTE]
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