Dectomax or Cydectin?

[Air gator]

Is there much difference? Injectable or Pour On? I live in Florida. If I go with a Pour On it will probably cause a hurricane. Looking for a alternative to Ivomec. Time for a change. Thanks.

 

[JW IN VA]

Dectomax and cydectin are both in the same "family" as Ivomec.If you are trying to rotate wormers,I'd Suggest drenching with Safeguar,Synanthic or Valbazen.Use Valbazen on cows not exposed o bull at certain times(on label).

 

[Anonymous]

Valblazen is 45 days before breeding and the active ingredient is Albendazole. Kinda pricey though. Cydectin active ingredient is Milbemycin. Ivomec, Epernix and Dectomax are Avermectins. I would do a pour on in spring and the drench in the fall. The drench tends to expel more worms and with the colder temps the worms have less chance of survival. Do the drench in a chute though it takes forever otherwise.

 

[Lucky_P]

As JW said, Ivomec, Dectomax, Cydectin are all in the same class... if you've got resistance issues with one, you've got resistance against all of them. Only difference is potency.

Pour-ons are a p-poor way of deworming. Studies have shown that as little as 30% of the applied dose gets to where it need to be to kill worms; not really all that well absorbed, most what gets where it needs to be gets there from cows licking it off themselves and one another. Cut out the middle-man and inject or use a drench.
Generics - particularly the generic ivermectin products - have really poor efficacy. Spend the $$ and buy the 'pioneer'(name-brand) product. If you're 'saving' a buck or two per cow using the generic - but it's not killing the worms - did you really come out ahead?

 

[Air gator]

Thanks. I have always used injectable but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on some benefit....as I said if I used a pour on it you would likely have to start building an ark.

 

[JMJ Farms]

As JW said try a drench wormer. I've used safeguard, valbazen, and synanthic. All three are good. I prefer synanthic. You won't be disappointed with any of them.

 

[JW IN VA]

I'm using the concentrated synanthic drench this spring.

 

[JMJ Farms]

I use synanthic and a cheap generic ivermectin pour on in spring. Then in fall I use safeguard and dectomax pour on. Not sure this is the "best" protocol but it's working real good.

 

[Lucky_P]

Had a discussion with Dr. Tom Yazwinski at UofArk today, regarding a research project I have to evaluate - two different dewormer treatments on stocker calves.
His recommended treatment for stocker calves from any source, at any time (we didn't discuss bred heifers, cows, pre-weanlings) is to give both a benzimidazole(fenbendazole, albendazole, oxfendazole) drench and a macrocyclic lactone(ivermectin, doramectin, moxidectin, eprinomectin) at the same time. Resistance to the MLs is really strong in Cooperia and Haemonchus - but the benzimidazole drench will get them; the benzimidazoles won't get arrested/encysted Ostertagia - but the MLs will.

If you're gonna do a pour-on, do it RIGHT! Apply the correct dose in the proper manner, on clean dry cattle, with no rain in the recommended time frame. Majority of the drug gets to the target to kill worms by ingestion, as the cows lick/groom themselves and one another... more gets there that way than by being absorbed through the skin.
So... if you're only treating a few here and there, and not treating them all... none of them get the appropriate dose.

 

[JMJ Farms]

Good post Lucky_P.

 

[jedstivers]

I use dectomax and synanthic at the same time or real close togather a lot of times.
On stockers and cows.
Stockers get two rounds of shots 14 days apart. Worm both times.
Cows going to fresh grass only go through once.

 

[js1234]

We use LongRange or Dectomax depending on the situation.

 

[fnfarms1]

I switch up brands a lot. but thinking after this post, I need to try a drench in the fall, already bought Vermectrin for next week in my spring working

 

[Lucky_P]

Decent little PowerPoint presentation here:
http://extension.missouri.edu/ozark/doc ... tation.pdf

Be sure to scroll down to about page 22-24 to see how (poorly) the 'generic' ivermectin products compare to the 'pioneer' produce, Ivomec.
Economically, I can't justify buying the generic products... if I save a dollar per animal... but it doesn't work... did I really save anything, or did I actually cost myself $$?

 

[JW IN VA]

Decent little PowerPoint presentation here:
http://extension.missouri.edu/ozark/doc ... tation.pdf

Be sure to scroll down to about page 22-24 to see how (poorly) the 'generic' ivermectin products compare to the 'pioneer' produce, Ivomec.
Economically, I can't justify buying the generic products... if I save a dollar per animal... but it doesn't work... did I really save anything, or did I actually cost myself $$?

Thanks.Been wondering about how well the generics really worked.I don't mind spending money to make money/help cows live better but "save a dime-lose a dollar" won't work at all.

 

[JW IN VA]

I use synanthic and a cheap generic ivermectin pour on in spring. Then in fall I use safeguard and dectomax pour on. Not sure this is the "best" protocol but it's working real good.

Hadn't heard of doing both at once but Lucky has the proof you're right.

 

[JMJ Farms]

I use synanthic and a cheap generic ivermectin pour on in spring. Then in fall I use safeguard and dectomax pour on. Not sure this is the "best" protocol but it's working real good.

Hadn't heard of doing both at once but Lucky has the proof you're right.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while :lol2:

I used to pour on only. Then I read how they were generally a pi$$ poor way to worm. But the fly control was good. So I started using safeguard and a cheap pour on. Then I tried Valbazen and finally discovered Synanthic. Threw Dectomax into the loop and liked the results from the different combinations. Really trial and error and like I say I ain't sure that it's the "best" but it's working. You know how we "farmers, cattlemen, ranchers, hobby cow farmers" (or whatever we are) always have to try something new.

 

[Anonymous]

A university study that was done showed calves gained 57 Lbs more than untreated using Cydectin and 30 Lbs more than Ivomec in 108 days. Brand names really are worth the money in the long run.

 

[Ojp6]

Has anybody used Noromectin? I was researching its usefulness on the Internet as I have used it a few times. I found a study on it but it appears to have been done by the company. If somebody understands the tests done about 40 pages into the PowerPoint, and if the mean anything, I would be interested to know. I've given the injectable they do the tests with a couple different times.

 

[Katpau]

Valblazen is 45 days before breeding and the active ingredient is Albendazole. Kinda pricey though. Cydectin active ingredient is Milbemycin. Ivomec, Epernix and Dectomax are Avermectins. I would do a pour on in spring and the drench in the fall. The drench tends to expel more worms and with the colder temps the worms have less chance of survival. Do the drench in a chute though it takes forever otherwise.

I have heard the 45 days prior to breeding repeated several times, but the label just says "Do not administer to female cattle during first 45 days of pregnancy" I don't see anything about giving it prior to breeding cattle. Perhaps someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I think if you gave it a week or so prior to bull turn-out, you would be OK. The label only cautions against using the product at any time when cows could be less than 45 days into pregnancy.