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My cool season Oregon grass pastures are just warmed up enough to start coming on. My cows and horses let me know when it's good because they stop eating that $378.00 a ton alfalfa hay. The stockers grow like mad and the cows come fresh and make a ton of milk at no cost to me. It's just now starting to get good. I go out one beautiful morning and what do I see out in pasture #1 my dairy cow pasture? 25 deer nipping the grass off at the ground

These are Fallow deer brought in by the ranch across the road in old Ted's exotic livestock days. He also imported Nilgai antelope but the 800'b bulls chased people and punctured their truck doors and tires when they were trying to get away. He got rid of those but the Fallows crawled the fence now cover a portion of the valley of the South Coquille. They are pretty, this is what they look like.
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The come in white, black and spot but most are two tone brown. The bucks lie low but the does gather and live in large bands. I went out the other morning and saw 25 does in my cow pasture. An animal unit equals one cow or one horse or 5 sheep or goats. 25 deer is like 5 extra cows or horses eating my dairy cow pasture

This whole place is fenced in cattle panels. They can't crawl or go under those fences and Fallows Like Axis deer do not jump fences so they were getting in someplace. Pastures 2 and 3 are completely fenced off so they did not come from there. I followed their tracks and found a section of barb wire with white deer hair was hung on the barbs. But I had to push them out of pasture 1 to fix the fence so spent the morning sneaking and running around the woods and pasture until they all went back out the way they came. Then I tightened the barb wire and put spacers so they could not step through and reinforced the fence. In one popular place I entirely blocked it with a scary old tarp I strung up.

The next morning what do I see? 30 multicolored does nipping the grass off at the ground and looking at me like they owned the place. That equals six animal units. I tied up the Jersey and opened the front gate up by the road. Sure enough I has able to push them running along the road fence and they were all headed for the gate. Halfway there some idiot pulls over next to the deer, gets out taking pictures. They scattered every where. I circled most of them back through the woods and back to the back of pasture 1 under some trees. They were pretty nervous. Then their leader bunches herself up and jumps the 5' fence where there is a dip. Then they all started jumping the fence. Some didn't make it and ran off. I tracked those back down the hill into the woods and sure enough they were going back toward where the others went. I think they went back and jumped that same fence.

Folks may wonder why I don't just shoot them. Not interested. I like them, they're pretty. I just don't want all these hooved locusts eating my grass right now. I went back to the house and dragged out the other part of that 20' blue tarp and strung it tight and higher across their jumping place, too tired to roll out mesh and stretch wire. The next morning ---- not a deer to be seen. And ever since, no deer, knock on wood.
 
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Organic, grass fed I guess. :) Ted is our friend he's in his late 80's. He loves his Fallow deer and doesn't want them shot. In his youth he was a dairyman and he advises me on my cattle. Ted's big ranch is across the road and fences to not adjoin. His grandson runs the place and is also our friend. He has a continuous war on coyotes with game cameras and traps. Coyote bodies festoon the fence in the traditional way. Fallow deer have spread all over the countryside for miles around. People do eat them but that's their own business. Seems like they always shoot the whites and spots instead of leaving them to breed. If they want meat heck , why don't they just shoot a brown one.
 
My cool season Oregon grass pastures are just warmed up enough to start coming on. My cows and horses let me know when it's good because they stop eating that $378.00 a ton alfalfa hay. The stockers grow like mad and the cows come fresh and make a ton of milk at no cost to me. It's just now starting to get good. I go out one beautiful morning and what do I see out in pasture #1 my dairy cow pasture? 25 deer nipping the grass off at the ground

These are Fallow deer brought in by the ranch across the road in old Ted's exotic livestock days. He also imported Nilgai antelope but the 800'b bulls chased people and punctured their truck doors and tires when they were trying to get away. He got rid of those but the Fallows crawled the fence now cover a portion of the valley of the South Coquille. They are pretty, this is what they look like.
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The come in white, black and spot but most are two tone brown. The bucks lie low but the does gather and live in large bands. I went out the other morning and saw 25 does in my cow pasture. An animal unit equals one cow or one horse or 5 sheep or goats. 25 deer is like 5 extra cows or horses eating my dairy cow pasture

This whole place is fenced in cattle panels. They can't crawl or go under those fences and Fallows Like Axis deer do not jump fences so they were getting in someplace. Pastures 2 and 3 are completely fenced off so they did not come from there. I followed their tracks and found a section of barb wire with white deer hair was hung on the barbs. But I had to push them out of pasture 1 to fix the fence so spent the morning sneaking and running around the woods and pasture until they all went back out the way they came. Then I tightened the barb wire and put spacers so they could not step through and reinforced the fence. In one popular place I entirely blocked it with a scary old tarp I strung up.

The next morning what do I see? 30 multicolored does nipping the grass off at the ground and looking at me like they owned the place. That equals six animal units. I tied up the Jersey and opened the front gate up by the road. Sure enough I has able to push them running along the road fence and they were all headed for the gate. Halfway there some idiot pulls over next to the deer, gets out taking pictures. They scattered every where. I circled most of them back through the woods and back to the back of pasture 1 under some trees. They were pretty nervous. Then their leader bunches herself up and jumps the 5' fence where there is a dip. Then they all started jumping the fence. Some didn't make it and ran off. I tracked those back down the hill into the woods and sure enough they were going back toward where the others went. I think they went back and jumped that same fence.

Folks may wonder why I don't just shoot them. Not interested. I like them, they're pretty. I just don't want all these hooved locusts eating my grass right now. I went back to the house and dragged out the other part of that 20' blue tarp and strung it tight and higher across their jumping place, too tired to roll out mesh and stretch wire. The next morning ---- not a deer to be seen. And ever since, no deer, knock on wood.
If they are out running loose and multiplying they are an invasive species. They aren't native so I doubt anyone could hold you to hunting permits. I sympathize with the old guy loving his animals... but they should be contained.
 
Yes the Fallows are invasive can be shot at any time of the year. (Humans are also invasive too outside of Africa) Too late to contain, those deer crawled the fences and escaped many years ago. In fact our place is on a stretch of road known as White deer mile. Guys sometimes stop at our gate and ask if they can shoot some. We politely decline. Another thing is poachers and road hunters at night shining these deer. Ted's grandson found his roan shorthorn cow he had raised on a bottle. She had been shot dead in my cow pasture before we bought the place. Red roan so they probably thought she was a spot. I keep bells on the collars of my milk cows for this reason.
 
Fallow deer are no longer allowed in VA... but back years ago, a friend had the necessary permits and all, and had them. Fences were 8 or 12 ft tall to keep them in and the white tails out. Disease and all that.
Cannot imagine them running out loose like that. Yeah, another invasive species :mad::mad: Bad enough we have to deal with autumn olive and multiflora rose taking over the pastures...
I'd be shooting them in a heartbeat. We worked on the white tail population this past year. I think that between the 2 farms they got 22 deer... and there were 7 in the Christmas tree field next door just a month ago... and going across my back yard where the garden is like they owned it.... not even time for fawns yet....
 
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All I want to do is keep these deer from eating my pasture grass when it is just now starting to come on. No deer have been seen in pasture 1 or any other pasture ever since I found where they were getting in so mission accomplished.

Neither of us are hunters and never will be unless in a survival situation. What balances the deer population here is the coyotes killing their fawns. Please no further comments about shooting the deer. Thank you my friends. Isn't there a hunting and fishing forum on here?
 
Only what the ODOT supervisor and Ted's grandson told me. Years ago ODOT was doing road work and asked Ted to temporarily park their trucks on his property and Ted said yes. This was back when it was a high fence pasture. The big necked Nilgai was protective of his 'cows' as they are called. After work the men were walking back to their trucks and here he came charging down the hill, head down. They ran to their trucks. One guy barely made it. The Nilgai bull slammed into his truck puncturing a steel door then turned his attention on his truck tires. After that Ted got rid of the Nilgai.
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That's interesting. It's very rare for Nilgai to be agressive. Their first instinct is to run. They are usually very elusive and can even be tough to sneak up on. I have never had any issues with them. I have ran around at night with dogs in and amongst them.

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WOW... they have some muscle/bodies/necks on them....
 
They are originally from India. There are 15,000 of them in South Texas. The King Ranch brought them in and now they're all over. I don't know why Ted's bull was so aggressive but he was. Maybe like cattle he didn't like strange people in his pasture.
 
They are originally from India. There are 15,000 of them in South Texas. The King Ranch brought them in and now they're all over. I don't know why Ted's bull was so aggressive but he was. Maybe like cattle he didn't like strange people in his pasture.
Sounds like a "pet" situation gone bad. If they were driving up or around to a group of cows with a bull trying to breed them, I would not consider them wild.

The picture I have of that bull was chit luck. I was walking up to a spot they hang out and a young bull crossed in front of me. I grabbed my phone thinking there would be more and this trophy pops out and stares me down. I snapped a pic and a second after he turned and ran. I just saw tails from a Batchelor group of bulls. He stood then maybe for 3 seconds, maybe 5 at most. I'm pretty sure he was the boss of the group.

I can sneak up on them at the laguanas early in the morning if there hasnt not been a lot of commotion. Some times cows will let me ease by in my truck if I keep moving or a bull will freeze in the mesquite and let you go by. If you stop or do any thing more than move your head they run... fast, and far.

Most these guys that sell hunts are using NV or taking 500yd plus shots at them with cannons, in the wild.

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