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<blockquote data-quote="hornedfrogbbq" data-source="post: 1594062" data-attributes="member: 32773"><p>In the end game, we as commercial folks are selling pounds first and quality second. The VAST majority of us do not carry or retain any ownership through the feedlot and even fewer through slaughter to sell on a value grid. This chase to prime and quality is being driven more by Tyson, IBP and other big folks than anyone else in my humble opinion. Obviously we all want our product to taste well but I know more cattlemen that care more about the pounds than the grade. </p><p></p><p>If you don't have cows that get pregnant readily, carry the calf to term, have it, raise it well and get rebred in a realatively tight window, you will go out of business. That has a huge assumption which is this is a business and run like a business and not a lifestyle and run like a lifestyle/hobby. </p><p></p><p>Not new information, I know. I SUPER appreciate my bull providers spending the relatively tiny amount (compared to the cost of the bull) on as much information as they can give me on his genetic proclivities. Dealing with us in honest terms and probity is key or we will go elsewhere. It frankly is beyond me that anyone that sells bulls for more than $1500 per thinks this cost is too much/too high to do it as a business. Over time, I would submit, it will be required by us, the commercial buyer, or we won't buy your bulls. Sire confirmation. Full genetic profiles. Give us the data.</p><p></p><p>You have to believe that this trend towards getting more information, to be more efficient and more goal oriented is going to reverse in this country to believe you can maintain your business as a bull/seed provider and not do that. That is not a trend i see changing but i'm sure some folks will bet against it. There are political reasons and arguments right now about EPD's, the changes in them and which herds the changes benefit and which herds they don't. There is some bias and skew but for the most part, you are going to have to give more information, not less, to stay relevant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hornedfrogbbq, post: 1594062, member: 32773"] In the end game, we as commercial folks are selling pounds first and quality second. The VAST majority of us do not carry or retain any ownership through the feedlot and even fewer through slaughter to sell on a value grid. This chase to prime and quality is being driven more by Tyson, IBP and other big folks than anyone else in my humble opinion. Obviously we all want our product to taste well but I know more cattlemen that care more about the pounds than the grade. If you don't have cows that get pregnant readily, carry the calf to term, have it, raise it well and get rebred in a realatively tight window, you will go out of business. That has a huge assumption which is this is a business and run like a business and not a lifestyle and run like a lifestyle/hobby. Not new information, I know. I SUPER appreciate my bull providers spending the relatively tiny amount (compared to the cost of the bull) on as much information as they can give me on his genetic proclivities. Dealing with us in honest terms and probity is key or we will go elsewhere. It frankly is beyond me that anyone that sells bulls for more than $1500 per thinks this cost is too much/too high to do it as a business. Over time, I would submit, it will be required by us, the commercial buyer, or we won't buy your bulls. Sire confirmation. Full genetic profiles. Give us the data. You have to believe that this trend towards getting more information, to be more efficient and more goal oriented is going to reverse in this country to believe you can maintain your business as a bull/seed provider and not do that. That is not a trend i see changing but i'm sure some folks will bet against it. There are political reasons and arguments right now about EPD's, the changes in them and which herds the changes benefit and which herds they don't. There is some bias and skew but for the most part, you are going to have to give more information, not less, to stay relevant. [/QUOTE]
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