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<blockquote data-quote="WarEagle73" data-source="post: 979811" data-attributes="member: 19171"><p>Maybe I have been a bit confusing as to my train of thought on this topic so I'll try to clear it up. I think this is a great discussion and I am trying to soak it all in, but I'll try to back track a bit.</p><p></p><p>I have been throwing some ideas around in my head lately about the future. One of these ideas has been to maybe set up a three breed rotational crossbreeding system. I have already identified two breeds I would like to use for two of the legs.</p><p></p><p>The first being Angus. There are several reasons for this choice. The first being the size of the genetic base. This breed is so large I feel certain I can find multiple bulls and lines to do what I want. Angus females are generally great mothers, have good milking ability, and moderate sized which is critical in the Southeast on a forage based system.Additionally this breed is known for being the king of carcass quality in the commercial world. I can remember one of the managers of the largest feedlots in America saying he wants cattle with AT LEAST 50% Angus blood. One of the other nice things about Angus is that in North Alabama, you can't throw a rock in any direction without nearly hitting an Angus breeder, so finding a reputable breeder that has the type of cattle I want should be should be fairly easy and if not Semen is availible.</p><p></p><p>The second being Hereford. Most of the reasons for hereford are the same as Angus: good mothering ability, moderate, large genetic base, and easy find an excellent breeder. Additionally, this breed hasn't been influenced by Angus so heterosis should be maximized with this cross.</p><p></p><p>The third breed is where I am looking now. I would like to use a breed that can give me the same positives as both Hereford and Angus (Mothering ability, Moderate, Carcass Quality, and the ability to find a breeder or semen) as well as heat tolerance, maintaining adequate heterosis and if possible black hided. The breeds that have come up in this discussion or that I have thought of that could work would be Beefmaster, Simbrah, Gert, and Brangus. I wouldn't want to use fullblood Brahman as I don't believe that much Brahman influence is necessary in Northeast Alabama for cattle to thrive. </p><p></p><p>In this system I would retain heifers for replacements as well as selling extra quality heifers as breeding age replacements to local farmers. Steers would be sold as yearlings also or possibly sent to a feedlot and fed to slaughter if I am able to aquire bulls with good carcass genetics as well. I believe that in the Hereford and Angus breed that can do all of these things at a more than middle of the road level. </p><p></p><p>My question in this thread is what breed do you think would fit into that third leg best to accomplish this goal? All of the breeds listed fit most of the traits I would like. Brangus only has the question of a loss of heterosis. Simbrah might create females that are too large to my system. Gert is red but fits most everything else very well, so if I can create cattle the grade well and I finish them it might not matter as much for hide color. Beefmaster can probably do most of these things, but has some Hereford influence and I'm not as familiar with the size of the breed and number of breeders in my area. </p><p></p><p>And again this is for the future. Right now I am breeding my herd to an Angus bull to begin to remove some of the variation (first calves hitting the ground now) and I want to breed the daughters to a Hereford bull, so I am a minimum of 3 years away from having to make a decision on the next step if I can find land make it all work. What y'all think is giving me some great points to think about while I try to build up to that point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WarEagle73, post: 979811, member: 19171"] Maybe I have been a bit confusing as to my train of thought on this topic so I'll try to clear it up. I think this is a great discussion and I am trying to soak it all in, but I'll try to back track a bit. I have been throwing some ideas around in my head lately about the future. One of these ideas has been to maybe set up a three breed rotational crossbreeding system. I have already identified two breeds I would like to use for two of the legs. The first being Angus. There are several reasons for this choice. The first being the size of the genetic base. This breed is so large I feel certain I can find multiple bulls and lines to do what I want. Angus females are generally great mothers, have good milking ability, and moderate sized which is critical in the Southeast on a forage based system.Additionally this breed is known for being the king of carcass quality in the commercial world. I can remember one of the managers of the largest feedlots in America saying he wants cattle with AT LEAST 50% Angus blood. One of the other nice things about Angus is that in North Alabama, you can't throw a rock in any direction without nearly hitting an Angus breeder, so finding a reputable breeder that has the type of cattle I want should be should be fairly easy and if not Semen is availible. The second being Hereford. Most of the reasons for hereford are the same as Angus: good mothering ability, moderate, large genetic base, and easy find an excellent breeder. Additionally, this breed hasn't been influenced by Angus so heterosis should be maximized with this cross. The third breed is where I am looking now. I would like to use a breed that can give me the same positives as both Hereford and Angus (Mothering ability, Moderate, Carcass Quality, and the ability to find a breeder or semen) as well as heat tolerance, maintaining adequate heterosis and if possible black hided. The breeds that have come up in this discussion or that I have thought of that could work would be Beefmaster, Simbrah, Gert, and Brangus. I wouldn't want to use fullblood Brahman as I don't believe that much Brahman influence is necessary in Northeast Alabama for cattle to thrive. In this system I would retain heifers for replacements as well as selling extra quality heifers as breeding age replacements to local farmers. Steers would be sold as yearlings also or possibly sent to a feedlot and fed to slaughter if I am able to aquire bulls with good carcass genetics as well. I believe that in the Hereford and Angus breed that can do all of these things at a more than middle of the road level. My question in this thread is what breed do you think would fit into that third leg best to accomplish this goal? All of the breeds listed fit most of the traits I would like. Brangus only has the question of a loss of heterosis. Simbrah might create females that are too large to my system. Gert is red but fits most everything else very well, so if I can create cattle the grade well and I finish them it might not matter as much for hide color. Beefmaster can probably do most of these things, but has some Hereford influence and I'm not as familiar with the size of the breed and number of breeders in my area. And again this is for the future. Right now I am breeding my herd to an Angus bull to begin to remove some of the variation (first calves hitting the ground now) and I want to breed the daughters to a Hereford bull, so I am a minimum of 3 years away from having to make a decision on the next step if I can find land make it all work. What y'all think is giving me some great points to think about while I try to build up to that point. [/QUOTE]
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