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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm2" data-source="post: 232958" data-attributes="member: 2095"><p>I did not say it was common "in Alabama"(because it is not); but speaking for the United States as a whole there are definitely Angus herds out there where all the cows are F.S. 6 AND UP. Most grass raised Angus cattle in Alabama are frame 5 (or less) even with sires that are consistently producing 7 frames in Montana. That said we DO have large frame Anguses running around down here; though I suspect they get more than a little grain along the way. And we do have a lot of moderate framed Simmentals too. There were Simmental bulls sold in recent BCIA sales as short as frame scores 4.32 and 4.64. I worked the Auburn bull sale in a year when the top indexing Angus bull was a frame score EIGHT (I grant that he was a freak) The AVERAGE Simmental is going to be taller, larger framed, longer, and heavier than the AVERAGE Angus; but there is a LOT of overlap between the two breeds, especially now that many elite Simmental herds are jet black, moderate framed, Angus look alikes. Mntman did NOT say that "most" Simmentals are smaller than "most" Angus because that is BULL pucky. All he said was that his seedstock suppliers had bigger Anguses than Simmies. Having never been to his seedstock supplier, I think that is a very real possibility given that big Angus and moderate Simmies are both "common" in the United States. </p><p></p><p>I never said anything about his Gelbviehs; because I do not see enough Gelbvieh cattle to know what is the "norm" in that breed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm2, post: 232958, member: 2095"] I did not say it was common "in Alabama"(because it is not); but speaking for the United States as a whole there are definitely Angus herds out there where all the cows are F.S. 6 AND UP. Most grass raised Angus cattle in Alabama are frame 5 (or less) even with sires that are consistently producing 7 frames in Montana. That said we DO have large frame Anguses running around down here; though I suspect they get more than a little grain along the way. And we do have a lot of moderate framed Simmentals too. There were Simmental bulls sold in recent BCIA sales as short as frame scores 4.32 and 4.64. I worked the Auburn bull sale in a year when the top indexing Angus bull was a frame score EIGHT (I grant that he was a freak) The AVERAGE Simmental is going to be taller, larger framed, longer, and heavier than the AVERAGE Angus; but there is a LOT of overlap between the two breeds, especially now that many elite Simmental herds are jet black, moderate framed, Angus look alikes. Mntman did NOT say that "most" Simmentals are smaller than "most" Angus because that is BULL pucky. All he said was that his seedstock suppliers had bigger Anguses than Simmies. Having never been to his seedstock supplier, I think that is a very real possibility given that big Angus and moderate Simmies are both "common" in the United States. I never said anything about his Gelbviehs; because I do not see enough Gelbvieh cattle to know what is the "norm" in that breed. [/QUOTE]
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