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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 13627"><p>I happen to be a real fan of this particular cross, the F1's also make great cows. My views/experience is that you want the highest marbling Gelbvieh you can find, but that is the last crieria to look for. High calving ease EPDs for both him and maternal, moderate mature size, even a moderate framed Gelbveh is pretty good sized, non-diluter. However, unless the heifers are really bog well grown out girls, I wouldn't use a Gelbvieh on an Angus heifer, I would stick with British for that first calf. I have found, although I've never seen a formal study of it, that when you cross breed, not only do you get additional growth from heterosis after birth, that you also get it before, the calves are bigger then you would expect. Also, that bigger faster growing calf will require more groceries from the heifer when she is still growing herself. If she is worth her salt, she will loose condition and give up all she can to keep that calf satisfied, this can cause slower breeding back then may be desired. Many cows miss breeding back the year they calf for the first time, it's a nutritinal thing. MU wifes Hereford heifer had a Red Angus sired calf this last spring, we expected from his EPDs that it would be a small calf, she pooped out three weeks early at over 80 lbs, The heifer lost weight like crazy for about a month and a half until I caught a weaned 6 month old Shorthorn heifer helping herself to most of the milk. We sold the Shorthorn and put the Hereford on some grain twice a day for about a month, she gained back some condition and bred back on time. Her calf weaned off at 500 lbs at 195 days, that's what I meant by the cow giving all she has. As I said my views/experience</p><p></p><p>dunmovin farms</p><p></p><p>> I have some nice black Angus</p><p>> heifers I would like to breed to a</p><p>> young red Gelbvieh bull. Any</p><p>> comments....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 13627"] I happen to be a real fan of this particular cross, the F1's also make great cows. My views/experience is that you want the highest marbling Gelbvieh you can find, but that is the last crieria to look for. High calving ease EPDs for both him and maternal, moderate mature size, even a moderate framed Gelbveh is pretty good sized, non-diluter. However, unless the heifers are really bog well grown out girls, I wouldn't use a Gelbvieh on an Angus heifer, I would stick with British for that first calf. I have found, although I've never seen a formal study of it, that when you cross breed, not only do you get additional growth from heterosis after birth, that you also get it before, the calves are bigger then you would expect. Also, that bigger faster growing calf will require more groceries from the heifer when she is still growing herself. If she is worth her salt, she will loose condition and give up all she can to keep that calf satisfied, this can cause slower breeding back then may be desired. Many cows miss breeding back the year they calf for the first time, it's a nutritinal thing. MU wifes Hereford heifer had a Red Angus sired calf this last spring, we expected from his EPDs that it would be a small calf, she pooped out three weeks early at over 80 lbs, The heifer lost weight like crazy for about a month and a half until I caught a weaned 6 month old Shorthorn heifer helping herself to most of the milk. We sold the Shorthorn and put the Hereford on some grain twice a day for about a month, she gained back some condition and bred back on time. Her calf weaned off at 500 lbs at 195 days, that's what I meant by the cow giving all she has. As I said my views/experience dunmovin farms > I have some nice black Angus > heifers I would like to breed to a > young red Gelbvieh bull. Any > comments.... [/QUOTE]
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