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<blockquote data-quote="Amo" data-source="post: 1307828" data-attributes="member: 14857"><p>OK, another bull buying question. I know there are ways to "inflate" EPD's. I think one way is to early wean & make a huge 205 adjustment. </p><p></p><p>I visited with a potential seed stock supplier. They have a good reputation. Yet you look through their catalog, all EPS's with actual bw and a projected sale day weight. Also no carcass data. In visiting with them he said that they feel the poorer bulls on actual preformance might get over looked becuase the weight might not so their true potential. As an EPD takes out the envirmental factors. Which I do agree with that comment. Yet its kinda like Obama refusing to show his birth certificate. Full disclosure, ya I believe he is a citizen. Hillary made dang sure of that. Why not show the actual information for better or worse? I politely pushed the issue a little. He made the comment that they don't creep, and weaning weights are usually in the 500 range. Which would somewhat make sense. Some of their WW makes me think the actual or 205 should be well over the 500ish# range. He was very general in the ww comment. So maybe the vast majority of them is say 575-595 IDK. You get the idea. </p><p></p><p>So just thinking to myself. Why not show the actual information unless they are minuplating the system to create EPD's? It could all be on the up & up. The catalog shows a picture of every bull and not much room left to show actual data. Thing is no supplement sheets or anything on sale day. Which most sales, you normally get some supplement sheets. They don't ultra sound until after the sale. So that explains that part, but he didn't really want to share much of the actual ww or yw either. So just kinda wondering if they are hidding something to help build EPD's or if its just a legitmate up and up deal with not enough room in the catalog?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amo, post: 1307828, member: 14857"] OK, another bull buying question. I know there are ways to "inflate" EPD's. I think one way is to early wean & make a huge 205 adjustment. I visited with a potential seed stock supplier. They have a good reputation. Yet you look through their catalog, all EPS's with actual bw and a projected sale day weight. Also no carcass data. In visiting with them he said that they feel the poorer bulls on actual preformance might get over looked becuase the weight might not so their true potential. As an EPD takes out the envirmental factors. Which I do agree with that comment. Yet its kinda like Obama refusing to show his birth certificate. Full disclosure, ya I believe he is a citizen. Hillary made dang sure of that. Why not show the actual information for better or worse? I politely pushed the issue a little. He made the comment that they don't creep, and weaning weights are usually in the 500 range. Which would somewhat make sense. Some of their WW makes me think the actual or 205 should be well over the 500ish# range. He was very general in the ww comment. So maybe the vast majority of them is say 575-595 IDK. You get the idea. So just thinking to myself. Why not show the actual information unless they are minuplating the system to create EPD's? It could all be on the up & up. The catalog shows a picture of every bull and not much room left to show actual data. Thing is no supplement sheets or anything on sale day. Which most sales, you normally get some supplement sheets. They don't ultra sound until after the sale. So that explains that part, but he didn't really want to share much of the actual ww or yw either. So just kinda wondering if they are hidding something to help build EPD's or if its just a legitmate up and up deal with not enough room in the catalog? [/QUOTE]
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