Cow Killers

[ANAZAZI]

I agree totally on the cow killer part. Actually I can not think of anything where charolais exel. Big frame, big calves lots and lots of bone no eating quality to brag with and poor milk for the calf.
If you accept calving difficulty; then go for blonde dacuitaine, because it has muscle, if you do not, there are lots of better terminals such as limo and piedmontese.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Sounds like the old boy should been using a little of his money and time working on birth weights. Lots of Char bulls in this country most folks don't have much calving trouble.

 

[Wewild]

Sounds like the old boy should been using a little of his money and time working on birth weights. Lots of Char bulls in this country most folks don't have much calving trouble.

Or breeding them to something that could handle the calf.

 

[MikeC]

Buddy lost three calves and 1 cow using a char bull on his cows. He sent the bull to slaughter last week. Also purchased two cross bred bulls from me one SalersXGelbvieh cross and one SalersXAngus cross. He also bought five Salers bulls as he has over 400 some odd head of cattle. He states he has had no calving problems out of the bulls I sold him or out of the pure Salers bulls he bought and stated that the calves grow even better than the Char bull he had. He said he is glad I talked him away from Chars. He has a Purebred Char herd of some of the best char genetics to as he utilized embryo transfer etc to accomplish this. He sold all the chars now though due to calving problems and has maintained his commercial cows and is running my bulls as well as the five Salers that he purchased on them. Char bulls! Cow Killers!

I am oh so glad this thread was written by you, TennesseeMasterBaiter. Had it been anyone with a smidgeon of credibility, an ounce of intelligence, or if I thought your statements MIGHT, just MIGHT be the truth, I may have had to debate the merit of your obvious over-generalizations.

But since it's just you... I'll just treat them with perfunctory. :shock: :?

Have a great day and keep those Salers jumping. ;-)

 

[redfornow]

Buddy lost three calves and 1 cow using a char bull on his cows. He sent the bull to slaughter last week. Also purchased two cross bred bulls from me one SalersXGelbvieh cross and one SalersXAngus cross. He also bought five Salers bulls as he has over 400 some odd head of cattle. He states he has had no calving problems out of the bulls I sold him or out of the pure Salers bulls he bought and stated that the calves grow even better than the Char bull he had. He said he is glad I talked him away from Chars. He has a Purebred Char herd of some of the best char genetics to as he utilized embryo transfer etc to accomplish this. He sold all the chars now though due to calving problems and has maintained his commercial cows and is running my bulls as well as the five Salers that he purchased on them. Char bulls! Cow Killers!

I am oh so glad this thread was written by you, TennesseeMasterBaiter. Had it been anyone with a smidgeon of credibility, an ounce of intelligence, or if I thought your statements MIGHT, just MIGHT be the truth, I may have had to debate the merit of your over-generalizations.

But since it's just you... I'll just treat them with perfunctory. :shock: :?

Have a great day and keep those Salers jumping. ;-)

Mike,

As usual you hit the nail on the head!

The great baiter is back.... :dunce:

 

[ga. prime]

You did right using the perfunctory approach Mike. Examining masterbeefs post on its merits would be akin to contemplating infinity and would quickly lead to acute dementia.

 

[ga. prime]

Yes, I do like Charolais. They work very well in a crossbreeding program and a crossbreeding program is what I have.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Anybody notice how many bulls it took to replace that one Char.

 

[msscamp]

Anybody notice how many bulls it took to replace that one Char.

Yes, I did. Kind of scary. :shock:

 

[Brandonm22]

Anybody notice how many bulls it took to replace that one Char.

Yes, I did. Kind of scary. :shock:

Yea, he might have sired some too big calves; but 400 ladies to one bull is still an impressive feat.....I don't care who he is, what breed he is, or what he looks like. It looks like the tales are taller than the mountains on ole Rocky Top.

 

[msscamp]

Anybody notice how many bulls it took to replace that one Char.

Yes, I did. Kind of scary. :shock:

Yea, he might have sired some too big calves; but 400 ladies to one bull is still an impressive feat.....I don't care who he is, what breed he is, or what he looks like. It looks like the tales are taller than the mountains on ole Rocky Top.

Most definitely!

 

[novatech]

When I was a kid and Chars were relatively new we did the same thing as this guy. Had a lot of birthing problems. The bull was sold to a man that had cows that could handle the larger birth weights. He was very happy with the bull over the years.
Poor management practices is the result of ignorance. Cutting down a breed entirely as a result of that ignorance is more in line with stupidity.

 

[cfpinz]

These breed generalizations crack me up. Had a simmi bull try pen me to a tree about two weeks ago, reckon all simmis are man-killers now?

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Sounds like the old boy should been using a little of his money and time working on birth weights. Lots of Char bulls in this country most folks don't have much calving trouble.

that's a fact, where there aint a angus around here, there will be a charolias

 

[mnmtranching]

First of all anybody, even Charolais bashers should be able to see though the BS at that started this thread. NO Charolais breeder would but themselves in the position to have calving difficulties.
There are more Char bulls below 85 pound birth weight then over. Char breeders have been breeding calving ease into their herds for a long time. You simply do not have to get into some slow growing exotic to get calving ease.

 

[TSR]

Buddy lost three calves and 1 cow using a char bull on his cows. He sent the bull to slaughter last week. Also purchased two cross bred bulls from me one SalersXGelbvieh cross and one SalersXAngus cross. He also bought five Salers bulls as he has over 400 some odd head of cattle. He states he has had no calving problems out of the bulls I sold him or out of the pure Salers bulls he bought and stated that the calves grow even better than the Char bull he had. He said he is glad I talked him away from Chars. He has a Purebred Char herd of some of the best char genetics to as he utilized embryo transfer etc to accomplish this. He sold all the chars now though due to calving problems and has maintained his commercial cows and is running my bulls as well as the five Salers that he purchased on them. Char bulls! Cow Killers!

I am oh so glad this thread was written by you, TennesseeMasterBaiter. Had it been anyone with a smidgeon of credibility, an ounce of intelligence, or if I thought your statements MIGHT, just MIGHT be the truth, I may have had to debate the merit of your obvious over-generalizations.

But since it's just you... I'll just treat them with perfunctory. :shock: :?

Have a great day and keep those Salers jumping. ;-)

Somehow,someway, I don't know why, But I just had this gut feeling Mike, that you would reply to this post. :lol: :lol: :tiphat:

 

[Avalon]

It's all about the data! Not the breed. All breeds have calving ease specialists. My ninety year old retired neighbor rotates 3 breeds of bulls with his cows. Semmi, Char, and Angus. He never has a problem beacuse he studies the data and looks at the production history behind the bulls. Never pulled a calf since I've known him.

 

[Jovid]

Buddy lost three calves and 1 cow using a char bull on his cows. He sent the bull to slaughter last week. Also purchased two cross bred bulls from me one SalersXGelbvieh cross and one SalersXAngus cross. He also bought five Salers bulls as he has over 400 some odd head of cattle. He states he has had no calving problems out of the bulls I sold him or out of the pure Salers bulls he bought and stated that the calves grow even better than the Char bull he had. He said he is glad I talked him away from Chars. He has a Purebred Char herd of some of the best char genetics to as he utilized embryo transfer etc to accomplish this. He sold all the chars now though due to calving problems and has maintained his commercial cows and is running my bulls as well as the five Salers that he purchased on them. Char bulls! Cow Killers!

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[redfornow]

Buddy lost three calves and 1 cow using a char bull on his cows. He sent the bull to slaughter last week. Also purchased two cross bred bulls from me one SalersXGelbvieh cross and one SalersXAngus cross. He also bought five Salers bulls as he has over 400 some odd head of cattle. He states he has had no calving problems out of the bulls I sold him or out of the pure Salers bulls he bought and stated that the calves grow even better than the Char bull he had. He said he is glad I talked him away from Chars. He has a Purebred Char herd of some of the best char genetics to as he utilized embryo transfer etc to accomplish this. He sold all the chars now though due to calving problems and has maintained his commercial cows and is running my bulls as well as the five Salers that he purchased on them. Char bulls! Cow Killers!

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What the great baiter has you cant help.
As a wise man once said....
"you cant fix stupid"