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From thr LA Times

Killer cow emissions

Livestock are a leading source of greenhouse gases. Why isn't anyone raising a stink?
October 15, 2007


It's a silent but deadly source of greenhouse gases that contributes more to global warming than the entire world transportation sector, yet politicians almost never discuss it, and environmental lobbyists and other green activist groups seem unaware of its existence.

That may be because it's tough to take cow flatulence seriously. But livestock emissions are no joke.

Most of the national debate about global warming centers on carbon dioxide, the world's most abundant greenhouse gas, and its major sources -- fossil fuels. Seldom mentioned is that cows and other ruminants, such as sheep and goats, are walking gas factories that take in fodder and put out methane and nitrous oxide, two greenhouse gases that are far more efficient at trapping heat than carbon dioxide. Methane, with 21 times the warming potential of CO2, comes from both ends of a cow, but mostly the front. Frat boys have nothing on bovines, as it's estimated that a single cow can belch out anywhere from 25 to 130 gallons of methane a day.

It isn't just the gas they pass that makes livestock troublesome. A report from the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization identified livestock as one of the two or three top contributors to the world's most serious environmental problems, including water pollution and species loss. In terms of climate change, livestock are a threat not only because of the gases coming from their stomachs and manure but because of deforestation, as land is cleared to make way for pastures, and the amount of energy needed to produce the crops that feed the animals.

All told, livestock are responsible for 18% of greenhouse-gas emissions worldwide, according to the U.N. -- more than all the planes, trains and automobiles on the planet. And it's going to get a lot worse. As living standards rise in the developing world, so does its fondness for meat and dairy. Annual per-capita meat consumption in developing countries doubled from 31 pounds in 1980 to 62 pounds in 2002, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, which expects global meat production to more than double by 2050. That means the environmental damage of ranching would have to be cut in half just to keep emissions at their current, dangerous level.

It isn't enough to improve mileage standards or crack down on diesel truck emissions, as politicians at both the state and national levels are working to do. Eventually, the United States and other countries are going to have to clean up their agricultural practices, while consumers can do their part by cutting back on red meat.

Manure, methane and McGovern

In a Web forum for presidential candidates in September, TV talk-show host Bill Maher asked former Sen. John Edwards a snarky question: Because Edwards had suggested that people trade in their SUVs to benefit the environment, and cattle generate more greenhouse gases than SUVs, "You want to take a shot at meat?" Maher asked.

Edwards wisely dodged the question. It is extremely hazardous for politicians to take on the U.S. beef industry, a lesson learned by Sen. George McGovern in the late 1970s when his Select Committee on Nutrition dared to recommend that Americans cut down on red meat and fatty dairy products for health reasons. After a ferocious lobbying blitz from meat and dairy interests, the committee rewrote its guidelines to suggest diners simply choose lean meats that "will reduce saturated fat intake." McGovern was voted out of office in 1980, in part because of opposition from cattlemen in his home state of South Dakota.

Beyond the dangers of taking on the beef bloc, legislating food choices is an unpopular and nearly impossible task, so it's unlikely any candidate will endorse a national vegetarian movement to fight global warming any time soon. There are other approaches, though.

Cows and other ruminants have four stomachs, the first of which, called the rumen, is where the trouble lies; bacteria in the rumen produce methane. Scientists -- mostly in Australia, New Zealand and Britain, where the problem is taken a lot more seriously than it is here -- are working on a variety of technical solutions, including a kind of bovine Alka-Seltzer. Scientists are also trying to develop new varieties of feed grasses that are more energy efficient and thus generate less methane, and they are experimenting with targeted breeding to produce a less-gassy strain of cattle.

But it's not just about the belching. Livestock manure also emits methane (especially when it's stored in lagoons) and nitrous oxide, better known as laughing gas. There's nothing funny about this gas: It has 296 times the warming potential of carbon dioxide, and livestock are its leading anthropogenic (human-caused) source. The best way to reduce these gases is to better manage the manure; storage methods and temperature can make a big difference. The California Air Resources Board is studying manure-management practices as part of a sweeping effort to identify ways of cutting greenhouse-gas emissions, work that by the end of next year might lead to regulation of the state's ranches and dairies. Other states should do the same.

There are also smart ways of treating or converting animal waste. Manure lagoons can be covered, capturing gases that can be used to generate power or simply be burned away (burning the gases converts most of the emissions to CO2, which is far less destructive than methane). That's the strategy being pursued by American Electric Power Co., a gigantic utility based in Columbus, Ohio, whose coal-fired power plants make it the nation's biggest emitter of carbon dioxide. This summer, the company began putting tarps on waste lagoons at farms and ranches and sending the gases they capture to flares.

American Electric is under heavy regulatory pressure. Last week, it was on the wrong end of the biggest environmental settlement in U.S. history and agreed to spend up to $4.6 billion to clean up its smokestacks. Its work on manure is part of an experiment in carbon offsets; the company anticipates that someday Congress will cap the amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted and allow polluters to trade pollution credits. As a previous installment of this series noted, that's a less effective way to combat global warming than carbon taxes, but the American Electric example shows that it would also direct the economic might of industrial polluters toward solving off-the-beaten-path problems such as livestock waste.

Other possible solutions include providing more aid to ranchers in places like Brazil, where forests are rapidly disappearing, to make cattle operations more efficient and thus decrease the need to cut down trees. Changes in farming practices on fields used to grow livestock feed could help capture more carbon. And U.S. agricultural policy is overdue for changes. Subsidies on crops such as corn and soybeans have traditionally kept the price of meat artificially low because these are key feedstocks.

Broccoli: It's what's for dinner

Such policy shifts and new technologies would help, but probably not enough. A recent report in the Lancet led by Australian National University professor Anthony J. McMichael posits that available technologies applied universally could reduce non-carbon dioxide emissions from livestock by less than 20%. The authors advocate another, fringe approach that has long been embraced by dietitians and vegans but is a long way from going mainstream in the United States: eating less meat.

Americans love beef. According to the 2000 census, the U.S. ranks No. 3 in the world in per-capita consumption of beef and veal (after Argentina and Uruguay), gorging on 100 pounds per year. We're also among the leaders in obesity, heart disease and colorectal cancer, and there is a connection -- fatty red meat has been linked to all of these conditions.

McMichael's idea isn't likely to gain much traction outside Australia; he proposes that developed countries lower their daily intake of meat from about 250 grams to 90 grams, with no more than 50 grams coming from ruminant animals -- that's less than 2 ounces, or half a McDonald's Quarter-Pounder.

Still, as evidence mounts that cutting back on beef would both improve our health and help stave off global warming, a campaign urging people to do so is clearly in order. It's understandable why political candidates are wary of bashing beef, but less understandable why environmental leaders with nothing to lose are reluctant to raise the issue. They would be more credible in targeting polluters if they were equally assertive in pointing out what all Americans can do to fight global warming, and at the very top of that list -- way ahead of more commonly mentioned approaches such as buying fluorescent lightbulbs or energy-efficient appliances -- would be eating less red meat.

A University of Chicago study examined the average American diet and found that all the various energy inputs and livestock emissions involved in its production pump an extra 1.5 tons of CO2 into the air over the course of a year, which would be avoided by a vegetarian diet. Thus, the researchers found, cutting out meat would do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than trading in a gas guzzler for a hybrid car.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture assesses ranchers, dairymen and producers of other commodities to pay for marketing campaigns to promote their products, raising millions of dollars a year and turning such slogans as "Got Milk?" and "Beef: It's What's for Dinner" into national catchphrases. This isn't quite tantamount to a government-mandated campaign to promote cigarette smoking, but it's close. The government should not only get out of the business of promoting unhealthful and environmentally destructive foods, it should be actively discouraging them.
 
Scathing all the way around.

Would be interested to know how many buy this crap.
 
MikeC":onrmf0ns said:
Scathing all the way around.

Would be interested to know how many buy this crap.

Probaly the same number that buys into the antibiotics in cattle are causing a porblem with human drug resistance
 
You just gotta love it. Greenhouse gases has to be blamed on something. Gee,what next, why not blame the elephants ? I don't know about ya'll,but I sure wouldn't like to be standing behind one when they cut loose. lol
If ,cattle "stuff" is so potent why not bag it up and sale for fuel.
 
dun":1nstjp1b said:
MikeC":1nstjp1b said:
Scathing all the way around.

Would be interested to know how many buy this crap.

Probaly the same number that buys into the antibiotics in cattle are causing a porblem with human drug resistance

They are one and the same! :lol:
 
I heard a report the other day from some gee whiz scientist that predicts hurricaines and he claimes human caused global warming is BS. Just another learned individual with a difference of opinion, but you can bet he won;t win a nobel price like algore did
 
dun":59o3fkd0 said:
I heard a report the other day from some gee whiz scientist that predicts hurricaines and he claimes human caused global warming is BS. Just another learned individual with a difference of opinion, but you can bet he won;t win a nobel price like algore did

That's Dr. Gray and he's a sharp guy for an old codger.

No, he won't win a prize. They'll label him as an idiot. :roll:
 
dun":jnjhjmlc said:
I heard a report the other day from some gee whiz scientist that predicts hurricaines and he claimes human caused global warming is BS. Just another learned individual with a difference of opinion, but you can bet he won;t win a nobel price like algore did

When Chicken Little gets a Nobel Prize, credible scientists have no desire to be placed in the same category.
 
backhoeboogie":3enl4v6g said:
dun":3enl4v6g said:
I heard a report the other day from some gee whiz scientist that predicts hurricaines and he claimes human caused global warming is BS. Just another learned individual with a difference of opinion, but you can bet he won;t win a nobel price like algore did

When Chicken Little gets a Nobel Prize, credible scientists have no desire to be placed in the same category.

I suppose next you're going to tell me the sky isn;t falling!
 
I talked to a scientist about methane production of cows and he claims that the swamps in Florida put more CH4 (methane) into the atmosphere then all the cows inside the US borders combined. No idea how true this statement is though.
 
This is almost as bad as those pencil-necked geek scientists who believe that the Sun is the center of the universe and that the Earth is round.

Anyone using common sense knows that this isn't the case.
 
I do know a scientist in British Columbia who was working on nitrous oxide (a green house gas) emissions from cow manure. He found there was more nitrous oxide from bare plowed ground than there was from spreading cow manure. Funny how those research results got buried.
 
Dave":320iprv4 said:
I do know a scientist in British Columbia who was working on nitrous oxide (a green house gas) emissions from cow manure. He found there was more nitrous oxide from bare plowed ground than there was from spreading cow manure. Funny how those research results got buried.

If it doesn;t support an individuals agenda it's obviously bogus data. That's the second rule in the algore school of public opinion
 
Whatever the validity, this propoganda is becoming mainstream.
It is in the papers and on various tv programs daily.
Do not take this lightly.

The animal rights terrorists and the tree huggers are joining up.

The first sign that we will see is a drop in consumption. I think that will happen if we don't counter this crap.

This stuff is a lot more dangerous than foreign beef, yet where are all of our associations/cattle groups? If they are ignoring this threat I truly believe livestock agriculture is going to have a tough time in the not too distant future.

What goads me is that we fund a lot of this "research".
 
ALX. said:
The first sign that we will see is a drop in consumption. I think that will happen if we don't counter this crap.
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I disagree with that assessment. The consumer wants beef. And pork and chicken. Consumption will remain strong.

The activists will focus their efforts on making meat producers miserable. Political contributions can sway public officials. No one really loves a livestock operation except the owners. Not many votes on that side.
Activists argue environment and they argue cruelty. Who opposes the environment or favors cruelty? The truth doesn't have a chance.
Drive up the price of meat by legislating onerous restrictions on stockmen and more people will chose less meat. That is the agenda of the activists. When hamburger is $100/lb, folks will have to become vegetarians.
I believe that is the goal of the activists. Make meat expensive.
Activists know they cannot win consumers on a beef vs brocolli shoot out. But, they can control the media and the legislatures with outright lies about the environment and cruelty.
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Weren't there quite a few buffalo in the country before the evil white man came with his cow? What's the difference?

Anybody else get the free Imprimis publication? Different speech given each month. Should be mandatory reading. Can subscribe at this site:

https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/subs_new.asp

Speech below by this guy at site below:

S. Fred Singer
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia


http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/ ... 7&month=08

Excerpt below:

But aren’t glaciers melting? Isn’t sea ice shrinking? Yes, but that’s not proof for human-caused warming. Any kind of warming, whether natural or human-caused, will melt ice. To assert that melting glaciers prove human causation is just bad logic.
What about the fact that carbon dioxide levels are increasing at the same time tempera-tures are rising? That’s an interesting correlation; but as every scientist knows, correlation is not causation. During much of the last century the climate was cooling while CO2 levels were rising. And we should note that the climate has not warmed in the past eight years, even though greenhouse gas levels have increased rapidly.
What about the factâ€"as cited by, among others, those who produced the IPCC reportâ€"that every major greenhouse computer model (there are two dozen or so) shows a large tem-perature increase due to human burning of fossil fuels? Fortunately, there is a scientific way of testing these models to see whether current warming is due to a man-made greenhouse effect. It involves comparing the actual or observed pattern of warming with the warming pattern predicted by or calculated from the models. Essentially, we try to see if the “finger-prints” matchâ€"“fingerprints” meaning the rates of warming at different latitudes and alti-tudes.
For instance, theoretically, greenhouse warming in the tropics should register at increas-ingly high rates as one moves from the surface of the earth up into the atmosphere, peak-ing at about six miles above the earth’s surface. At that point, the level should be greater than at the surface by about a factor of three and quite pronounced, according to all the computer models. In reality, however, there is no increase at all. In fact, the data from bal-loon-borne radiosondes show the very opposite: a slight decrease in warming over the equator.
The fact that the observed and predicted patterns of warming don’t match indicates that the man-made greenhouse contribution to current temperature change is insignificant.
 
This is a really one sided report. They don't take into account the fuel that would be needed and emissions that would be produced if we replaced the beef in our diet with grains. There's not enough land in production in this country to feed everyone a straight veggie diet. Forests would have to be cut down, lots more diesel spent plowing, planting, harvesting, processing, delivering veggies to replace the benefits of beef. Then you have the byproducts of producing food for humans, the corn cobs, the carrot tops, the pea pods, much of that goes to the animal feeding industry. No animal feeding industry? Then it would have to be hauled out and dumped to rot, it would emit more gas than cattle in the feedlot.

Some group just did a report on New York State and found that including some meat in the diet was more efficient than a straight vegetarian diet.
 
That article is total b.s. I'm the largest source of methane gas in this country, according to my wife. She has threatened to lace my pork'n beans with bean-o.

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