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<blockquote data-quote="Caustic Burno" data-source="post: 1794022" data-attributes="member: 694"><p>Used to you could.</p><p>I don't have a clue how anyone could starting out today.</p><p>You can't even purchase land like I did , I paid 300 to 800 an an acre for timberland and cut 800 to 1200 an acre off it.</p><p>Timber paid for the land and the D-9 with a shear blade to clear all the stumps.</p><p>That wasn't uncommon in the 60's and 70's. </p><p>I could have bought the 250 acres across the road for 400 an acre with virgin timber.</p><p>You can't even find a stand of virgin timber that large in the county today unless its National Forrest.</p><p>The cost of hay alone today with 800 dollar a ton fertilizer and 4 buck diesel not including maintenance.</p><p>Last roll of net wrap I bought was like 100 bucks it's pushing 300 today.</p><p>We are getting prices today on our calves we were getting ten years ago.</p><p>I used to sell one calf and buy three tons of fertilizer, today your lucky if a calf will buy a ton. </p><p>Our own government has done a lot of this to us.</p><p>The slaughterhouse monopoly, USLD, and the shutdown of all but around 30 NH3 plants due to cost of EPA regulation.</p><p>Problem is we buy everything retail and sell wholesale and wholesale hasn't kept up with retail. A lot of what we are buying retail today is being produced in Russia or China.</p><p>This didn't happen overnight.</p><p>We have shifted away from a production to consumer nation over the last 50 years.</p><p></p><p>The only handle we have is input cost.</p><p></p><p>My 2 cents</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caustic Burno, post: 1794022, member: 694"] Used to you could. I don’t have a clue how anyone could starting out today. You can’t even purchase land like I did , I paid 300 to 800 an an acre for timberland and cut 800 to 1200 an acre off it. Timber paid for the land and the D-9 with a shear blade to clear all the stumps. That wasn’t uncommon in the 60’s and 70’s. I could have bought the 250 acres across the road for 400 an acre with virgin timber. You can’t even find a stand of virgin timber that large in the county today unless its National Forrest. The cost of hay alone today with 800 dollar a ton fertilizer and 4 buck diesel not including maintenance. Last roll of net wrap I bought was like 100 bucks it’s pushing 300 today. We are getting prices today on our calves we were getting ten years ago. I used to sell one calf and buy three tons of fertilizer, today your lucky if a calf will buy a ton. Our own government has done a lot of this to us. The slaughterhouse monopoly, USLD, and the shutdown of all but around 30 NH3 plants due to cost of EPA regulation. Problem is we buy everything retail and sell wholesale and wholesale hasn’t kept up with retail. A lot of what we are buying retail today is being produced in Russia or China. This didn’t happen overnight. We have shifted away from a production to consumer nation over the last 50 years. The only handle we have is input cost. My 2 cents [/QUOTE]
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