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<blockquote data-quote="VCC" data-source="post: 771237" data-attributes="member: 6399"><p>Heat Wave is a TERMINAL sire, you do not keep replacement heifers out of terminal bulls do you? My guess is no. Heat wave was in full production prior to the defect being identified. Would I breed to the few cows I have to him? No. Would I purchase a steer out of him, for showing? Yes. Would I purchase a heifer out of him, no, no matter what she looked like, if I was given one, I would put her in the freezer.</p><p></p><p>On the average I would say that the perfect show steers looks like the type of cattle everyone is looking for, how do I come to this conclusion? Every time someone post a picture of a bull on here what are the comments. Not enough rear, to narrow, tight flanked, tight hearted, do not like the way his hooks and pins slope, to much leather, to tall not enough width, to light boned, ect.</p><p></p><p>Heat Wave was used to produce steers to try and get everything in one cool looking package: big boned, smooth shouldered, goose fronted, wide hipped, no slope what so ever from hooks to pins, deep bodied 50" tall at 1400 pounds. A table top for a back.</p><p></p><p>You just gave up a lot of maternal traits to get there. I would say there are some Club calf bulls that could help the commercial guy but since they are marked as club calf they would never be used.</p><p></p><p>It is like the ideal anything, they are not realistic, the old stereo typical look for women (Barbie) tall, thin and no curves, probably be as productive as a heat wave daughter too.</p><p></p><p>I would also guess that we would be closer with show cattle and commercial cattle if the commercial guy paid attention to the look as well as EPD's and show cattle paid attention to EPD's as well as the look.</p><p></p><p>I agree with you for the most part but I won't take a Clydesdale to a horse race, or a half ton to the truck pulls. I want to at least be in position to compete, not win but compete.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VCC, post: 771237, member: 6399"] Heat Wave is a TERMINAL sire, you do not keep replacement heifers out of terminal bulls do you? My guess is no. Heat wave was in full production prior to the defect being identified. Would I breed to the few cows I have to him? No. Would I purchase a steer out of him, for showing? Yes. Would I purchase a heifer out of him, no, no matter what she looked like, if I was given one, I would put her in the freezer. On the average I would say that the perfect show steers looks like the type of cattle everyone is looking for, how do I come to this conclusion? Every time someone post a picture of a bull on here what are the comments. Not enough rear, to narrow, tight flanked, tight hearted, do not like the way his hooks and pins slope, to much leather, to tall not enough width, to light boned, ect. Heat Wave was used to produce steers to try and get everything in one cool looking package: big boned, smooth shouldered, goose fronted, wide hipped, no slope what so ever from hooks to pins, deep bodied 50” tall at 1400 pounds. A table top for a back. You just gave up a lot of maternal traits to get there. I would say there are some Club calf bulls that could help the commercial guy but since they are marked as club calf they would never be used. It is like the ideal anything, they are not realistic, the old stereo typical look for women (Barbie) tall, thin and no curves, probably be as productive as a heat wave daughter too. I would also guess that we would be closer with show cattle and commercial cattle if the commercial guy paid attention to the look as well as EPD’s and show cattle paid attention to EPD’s as well as the look. I agree with you for the most part but I won’t take a Clydesdale to a horse race, or a half ton to the truck pulls. I want to at least be in position to compete, not win but compete. [/QUOTE]
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