Clutch problems.. Help

[hillsdown]

Our 1586 International tractor blew its clutch . Has anyone replaced one before ?

We were told it has to go in and be split, 2200 for labor ,not sure about parts. Yes we are in the middle of haying too. Delayed again as we got over an inch during the night again.

Thank you .

 

[High Cotton]

Yes it will have to be split. That doesn't sound to unreasonable for labor. That's a 12-14,000lb tractor to split in two then work in between. Does it have a cab? That will make it more expensive than an open station tractor. Parts will proabably be $300-400 if it's just the clutch and nothing to do with the t/a. If that's broke to now is the time to fix it.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

its a job even on the smaller ones... dont skimp on parts, use the best,, hate to have to go back in to it ,in a year or two

 

[baleflipper]

I split my 1086 this morning. Takes about 4 hours to split one.
I put 2 shts 5/8" ply wood stacked under it to hold up the jack and the stands for front half.
Its not too bad a job,just dont forget the two bolts coming from the rear into back of engine. One is a little hard to get to because its behind the starter solenoid.
I start by taking off the hood an the floor boards of the cab. O n left side take the wires off the oil sending unit. Take the headlights off the bottom of the cab and undo the high pressure hose for the AC. Close both valves on compressor and undo suction hose an tape it up. On right side take heater hoses off and unplug wiring harness. put jack under back half and bolt stands to side rails. undo the 4 bolts on each side at rear leave the top two on both sides stuck in holes half way,
pull front half away from back half. helps to have a stand with rollers on it.

 

[hillsdown]

Thanks for the replies everyone. :tiphat:

 

[agmantoo]

baleflipper

If your tractor has a little issue with gears scraping when shifting check the clutch brake while you are in there. Are you doing anything to the torque amplifier?

 

[hillsdown]

Just wanted to update .

We got our tractor back yesterday and the total cost was $3640.07

$2069.00 for labor
$1057.97 for parts and
$225.00 for freight one way, we drove it home . :shock:

At least we can now get the bales off the field, hopefully a second cut and haul manure this fall. But yikes, that hurt .

 

[highgrit]

If you don't mind saying, how many hours of labor did it take to complete the job.

 

[hillsdown]

I think it was 20 hours of labor.

 

[John SD]

I'm afraid I'm in the same boat with my Ford 9600. Hauling bales in today I stepped on the clutch and it won't disengage. Can't see anything wrong with external linkage and the pedal "feels" and operates the same with no unusual noises or anything.

If I had more time or energy I might be inclined to tackle the job myself which I realize is the same advice I have given others in the past. I just have too many irons in the fire and stuff to get done yet this fall.

So I feel like a hypocrite but as it is I think I will take the tractor somewhere. At least it is still roadable.

 

[agmantoo]

John
The clutch disc is probably just stuck to the flywheel. Get the tractor on a clear stretch of highway and while rolling slowly alternately hit the brakes rather hard and quickly while having the clutch pushed in. This may uncouple to sticking clutch disc. If it does, then when storing the tractor for a duration block the clutch linkage to where the clutch pedal is held down.

 

[John SD]

agmantoo, I don't know why the disc would suddenly stick. Someone on another board told me parts of broken springs from the disc or PP could wedge and might be able to get jarred loose as you describe.

It's rare but I have had clutches stick on tractors or pickups that are stored for a duration, but that hardly applies to this tractor. I feed all winter with it and pack bales off the hayfield in the summer. Yesterday I spent about 4 hours gathering bales in the morning and it was fine. Went back out after dinner and hadn't moved a half dozen bales before it acted up.

 

[hillsdown]

Anyone know how to install a new gear box :???:

 

[John SD]

Install a gear box on what? I changed gearboxes on my hesston 5500 baler and it wasn't a bad job. Just a bit of strong language had to be used. ;-)

 

[agmantoo]

John SD

How much free play/travel do you have with the clutch pedal before you can feel the release bearing making contact with the forks on the pressure plate? If more than roughly 1/2 inch try reducing the travel by adjusting the linkage. I like to typically have a little more than the 1/2 inch but the forks could be worn uneven and the additional stroke may help your problem. Keep us updated.

 

[1wlimo]

John SD

Have had this issue before and it as just a roll pin broken. Not easy to see unless you have some one work the cluth pedal while you look.

 

[John SD]

John SD

Have had this issue before and it as just a roll pin broken. Not easy to see unless you have some one work the cluth pedal while you look.

1wlimo, I wish it were that simple. I brought up the parts diagram on http://www.newholland.com To find the parts diagram, choose agriculture, select parts and service. Then type in 9600 in the model search, choose ag tractor, choose transmission, choose 07F01 clutch controls and you're in the online parts book.

Exploded parts diagram shows two different clutch pedal swing assemblies breaking in 1976. My 9600 would be the previous diagram (68/7-76), and I see no roll pin in the external clutch linkage.

8700, 9700, and TW10 starting 8-1-76 are a different assembly which shows the roll pin (#46) you speak of.

 

[agmantoo]

1wlimo has identified a possible cause but in your tractor I think it would be internal. Look at part number 24 that applies to your tractor. If this is the problem I would think you could feel a change in the clutch pedal as it is activated however.

24 2 74021S8 ROLL PIN Pin, Clevis, 3/8" x 2-1/64", Clutch Release Fork to Shaft, Years: 01/01/1965-07/31/1976

 

[John SD]

1wlimo has identified a possible cause but in your tractor I think it would be internal. Look at part number 24 that applies to your tractor. If this is the problem I would think you could feel a change in the clutch pedal as it is activated however.

24 2 74021S8 ROLL PIN Pin, Clevis, 3/8" x 2-1/64", Clutch Release Fork to Shaft, Years: 01/01/1965-07/31/1976

This is my conclusion also. And even if it is just the roll pin, the tractor still has to be split to fix it.

Gonna finish rotary mowing around here today and put the bale fork on the Major to finish packing bales in.

 

[agmantoo]

I believe that if you were to remove the pin from the clevis connected to shaft C9NN7503A you could by hand verify that the pin is sheared by moving the shaft before splitting the tractor