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<blockquote data-quote="ChrisB" data-source="post: 921995" data-attributes="member: 122"><p>CB - I'm 100% with you on the EPA being out of control. But just last week I heard 2 different sources saying we had an excess of gas and we were running out of storage. Both times I only caught part of the story, so they may have been talking about Natural gas? Anyway I tried to find the articles to read them and I stumbled onto this: </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=29&t=6" target="_blank">http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=29&t=6</a></p><p></p><p><em>The following are the newest refineries currently operating in the United States:</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Year Built First Operated Location Original Owner Original Capacity Current Owner 2011 Capacity Type </em></p><p><em>2008 2008 Douglas, WY Interline Resources 3,000 Garco Energy 3,600 Simple </em></p><p><em>1998 1998 Atmore, AL Goodway 4,100 Goodway 4,100 Simple </em></p><p><em>1993 1993 Valdez, AK Petro Star 26,300 Petro Star 55,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1991 1992 Eagle Springs, NV Petro Source 7,000 Foreland 2,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1986 1987 North Pole, AK Petro Star 6,700 Petro Star 19,700 Simple </em></p><p><em>1985 1986 Anchorage, AK ARCO 12,000 ConocoPhillips 15,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1981 1982 Thomas, OK OK Refining 10,700 Ventura 12,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1979 1980 Wilmington, CA Huntway 5,400 Valero 6,300 Simple </em></p><p><em>1978 1979 Vicksburg, MS Ergon 10,000 Ergon 23,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1978 1979 North Slope, AK ARCO 13,000 BP Exp AK 12,780 Simple </em></p><p><em>1978 1978 North Pole, AK Earth Resources 22,600 Flint Hills 219,500 Simple </em></p><p><em>1977 1978 Lake Charles, LA Calcasieu 6,500 Calcasieu 78,000 Simple </em></p><p><em>1976 1977 Garyville, LA Marathon 200,000 Marathon 464,000 Complex </em></p><p><em>1976 1977 Krotz Springs, LA Gold King 5,000 Alon 80,000 Complex </em></p><p><em>1975 1975 Corpus Christi, TX Saber 15,000 Valero 142,000 Complex </em></p><p><em>1967 1967 Good Hope, LA Kirby Industries 6,500 Valero 205,000 Complex </em></p><p></p><p>I know that is really hard to read and my link didn't work. But are these diferent types of refineries? Or are they expansions of existing refineries and the Energy Dept. is calling them new?</p><p></p><p>But regardless, I did read several places that stated that the lack of refineries really wasn't an issue other than politically. The existing refineries have expanded and become more efficient at a pace that has kept up with demand.</p><p></p><p>It is like the decrease in the number of farms hasn't yielded a lack of food. The remaining farms are more efficient and larger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChrisB, post: 921995, member: 122"] CB - I'm 100% with you on the EPA being out of control. But just last week I heard 2 different sources saying we had an excess of gas and we were running out of storage. Both times I only caught part of the story, so they may have been talking about Natural gas? Anyway I tried to find the articles to read them and I stumbled onto this: [url=http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=29&t=6]http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=29&t=6[/url] [i]The following are the newest refineries currently operating in the United States: Year Built First Operated Location Original Owner Original Capacity Current Owner 2011 Capacity Type 2008 2008 Douglas, WY Interline Resources 3,000 Garco Energy 3,600 Simple 1998 1998 Atmore, AL Goodway 4,100 Goodway 4,100 Simple 1993 1993 Valdez, AK Petro Star 26,300 Petro Star 55,000 Simple 1991 1992 Eagle Springs, NV Petro Source 7,000 Foreland 2,000 Simple 1986 1987 North Pole, AK Petro Star 6,700 Petro Star 19,700 Simple 1985 1986 Anchorage, AK ARCO 12,000 ConocoPhillips 15,000 Simple 1981 1982 Thomas, OK OK Refining 10,700 Ventura 12,000 Simple 1979 1980 Wilmington, CA Huntway 5,400 Valero 6,300 Simple 1978 1979 Vicksburg, MS Ergon 10,000 Ergon 23,000 Simple 1978 1979 North Slope, AK ARCO 13,000 BP Exp AK 12,780 Simple 1978 1978 North Pole, AK Earth Resources 22,600 Flint Hills 219,500 Simple 1977 1978 Lake Charles, LA Calcasieu 6,500 Calcasieu 78,000 Simple 1976 1977 Garyville, LA Marathon 200,000 Marathon 464,000 Complex 1976 1977 Krotz Springs, LA Gold King 5,000 Alon 80,000 Complex 1975 1975 Corpus Christi, TX Saber 15,000 Valero 142,000 Complex 1967 1967 Good Hope, LA Kirby Industries 6,500 Valero 205,000 Complex [/i] I know that is really hard to read and my link didn't work. But are these diferent types of refineries? Or are they expansions of existing refineries and the Energy Dept. is calling them new? But regardless, I did read several places that stated that the lack of refineries really wasn't an issue other than politically. The existing refineries have expanded and become more efficient at a pace that has kept up with demand. It is like the decrease in the number of farms hasn't yielded a lack of food. The remaining farms are more efficient and larger. [/QUOTE]
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