xbred
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can vaccines labled for "under the skin" be given in the muscle? I am so aggrevated with knots in the necks of my good calves....not all of them, but every now and then on shows up and it really bugs me....
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DavisBeefmasters
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I'm going to take a guess and say the knots are from a vaccine with tetanus in it and you've definitely got a good reaction...showing that the vaccine is effective.
Try this on your next round of shots:
1. No tenting of the skin
2. With your hand in a fist, take the side of your fist and rub the area for 5 to 10 seconds after giving the shot to disperse the meds
Practice makes perfect, you'll get the hang of it.
Try this on your next round of shots:
1. No tenting of the skin
2. With your hand in a fist, take the side of your fist and rub the area for 5 to 10 seconds after giving the shot to disperse the meds
Practice makes perfect, you'll get the hang of it.
novaman
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This must be a killed vaccine. It is a good thing to get the "knot" or "lump" in the area of the injection site. This is what the vaccine was intended to do. It causes a reaction that builds this knot and the vaccine stays stored in this area. It is slowly released into the system as is necessary with a killed vaccine for it to work properly. Might not look pretty but it means that things are working as they should. I guess if you want to try it in the muscle you probably could but the vaccine will rush through their system and be gone, doing little, if any, good at all.
Lucky_P
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If it's a product labeled for subcutaneous(under the skin) administration, give it under the skin!
It's always preferable to give an injection subcutaneously, if the label says that's an acceptable route - even if it's also cleared for intramuscular injection.
Dun's right - think about what it would do in a muscle. Get over your aggravation about subcutaneous knots.
Heck, if I were buying calves and saw a knot under the skin up on the neck, I'd be more inclined to think that the producer was actually doing what they're supposed to with regard to vaccinations, and I'd be more inclined to bid on those calves, than ones with no knot.
Beef Quality Assurance(BQA) - http://www.bqa.org/codeproducts.aspx - we've been working for nearly 30 years to get people to stop giving stuff 'in the muscle' - we're all 'judged' by the consumer by our endproduct - BEEF, and those of us who do it the 'right' way get incriminated and pay the price when somebody sticks a Clostridial vaccine in a muscle and some housewife ends up with a roast or steak with a big encapsulated abscess in it, or the packer has to trim out a big blemish caused by somebody sticking a vaccine in the top of the hip, or injecting 40 cc of LA-200 all in one place.
It's always preferable to give an injection subcutaneously, if the label says that's an acceptable route - even if it's also cleared for intramuscular injection.
Dun's right - think about what it would do in a muscle. Get over your aggravation about subcutaneous knots.
Heck, if I were buying calves and saw a knot under the skin up on the neck, I'd be more inclined to think that the producer was actually doing what they're supposed to with regard to vaccinations, and I'd be more inclined to bid on those calves, than ones with no knot.
Beef Quality Assurance(BQA) - http://www.bqa.org/codeproducts.aspx - we've been working for nearly 30 years to get people to stop giving stuff 'in the muscle' - we're all 'judged' by the consumer by our endproduct - BEEF, and those of us who do it the 'right' way get incriminated and pay the price when somebody sticks a Clostridial vaccine in a muscle and some housewife ends up with a roast or steak with a big encapsulated abscess in it, or the packer has to trim out a big blemish caused by somebody sticking a vaccine in the top of the hip, or injecting 40 cc of LA-200 all in one place.
TexasBred
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Have you tried giving it Sub-Q under the skin behind the front leg? Very active area and I don't remember ever having a knot come up. I've also given them in the fold of skin on either side of the tail head.
