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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1830886" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>When I was a small child there were still a lot of what people called shorts around in Angus and Hereford and any of those cattle were smaller than those breeds are today. </p><p>By the late 80's continental cattle had become popular.</p><p>In 89 I purchased my first registered Charolais females. Early 90's I purchased an bull from a prominent Charolais breeder. Bull was an ET son of a recent at the time National Champion bull and Reserve National Champion female.</p><p>He was an 11 frame bull, that sired calves consistently over 100 pounds and a few as much as 135 pounds.</p><p>There was another popular show bull that had a birthweight of 150. </p><p>Bull matured at 2500 and was not fat, just tall and lanky. I came to not like that type of cattle and when I was faced with the decline of Charolais popularity and brought in an Angus bull on my registered Charolais cows, I actually thought well at least the calves will have some meat on them. I was all in for the moderation away from the tall skinny cattle.</p><p>Now we are around 3 decades from that, and I think most breeds have moderated for so long that they are too short for what the buyers and feeders want. </p><p>I have had issues more so with Angus but also one Hereford bull that's calves are too short and the calves are looked at as fleshy even though they are not creep fed and on limited rations after weaning. </p><p>They wean off small but then later they grow out and have a big enough frame and make good sized animals.</p><p>It's crazy we seem to get hammered on weaned calves but when I was retaining the same heifers and selling them at around 20 months old and bred to calve as 2 yr olds they had grown out good and lots of times some of them topped the sales.</p><p>I miss the days of the heavily Charolais weaning weights. I think it's time to stop the moderation of all breeds and put a little height back into them.</p><p>I don't care for the trend of the short legged cattle of today I don't care how thick they are something needs to change or it's going to go too far again. </p><p>I recently saw a picture of a bull being advertised and he was standing over knee deep in straw, I realized they were either hiding something ( hopefully not ) or trying to make him look shorter. ( that scares me) </p><p>I also don't like the feminine looking bulls that seem to be so prevalent. I like to see a bull head and an actual crest on the neck on bulls, and I don't even mind some dewlap.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1830886, member: 24816"] When I was a small child there were still a lot of what people called shorts around in Angus and Hereford and any of those cattle were smaller than those breeds are today. By the late 80’s continental cattle had become popular. In 89 I purchased my first registered Charolais females. Early 90’s I purchased an bull from a prominent Charolais breeder. Bull was an ET son of a recent at the time National Champion bull and Reserve National Champion female. He was an 11 frame bull, that sired calves consistently over 100 pounds and a few as much as 135 pounds. There was another popular show bull that had a birthweight of 150. Bull matured at 2500 and was not fat, just tall and lanky. I came to not like that type of cattle and when I was faced with the decline of Charolais popularity and brought in an Angus bull on my registered Charolais cows, I actually thought well at least the calves will have some meat on them. I was all in for the moderation away from the tall skinny cattle. Now we are around 3 decades from that, and I think most breeds have moderated for so long that they are too short for what the buyers and feeders want. I have had issues more so with Angus but also one Hereford bull that’s calves are too short and the calves are looked at as fleshy even though they are not creep fed and on limited rations after weaning. They wean off small but then later they grow out and have a big enough frame and make good sized animals. It’s crazy we seem to get hammered on weaned calves but when I was retaining the same heifers and selling them at around 20 months old and bred to calve as 2 yr olds they had grown out good and lots of times some of them topped the sales. I miss the days of the heavily Charolais weaning weights. I think it’s time to stop the moderation of all breeds and put a little height back into them. I don’t care for the trend of the short legged cattle of today I don’t care how thick they are something needs to change or it’s going to go too far again. I recently saw a picture of a bull being advertised and he was standing over knee deep in straw, I realized they were either hiding something ( hopefully not ) or trying to make him look shorter. ( that scares me) I also don’t like the feminine looking bulls that seem to be so prevalent. I like to see a bull head and an actual crest on the neck on bulls, and I don’t even mind some dewlap. [/QUOTE]
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