Cape Buffalo

[Muratic]

Choo Choo - watch out for that train!! It's just starting to gain speed.

Good one caustic. You went and got the resident angus journal copy and paste queen fired up.

Here we go again. :roll:

 

[Caustic Burno]

There is no bad breed just poor cattleman with poor management. Angus were a good breed like a lot of others until they started slipping Maine into the woodpile. The thing thats bothers me about the Angus people is they can't see that all breeds have a place in a given enviroment. They want to turn the world black and spout about pure Angus.
Its just amazing how those little Aberdeen Angus cows that weighed 800 pounds and the bulls 1200 went to 2500 lb bulls that don't even resemble Angus.
Ah yes Frankie I do have some registered Angus in my pasture.
They are not the best cattle, good but not the best.
From a cowmans view I will pick a Certified Herf/Bramer or Brangus as the best cattle. They return the most profit with the least income input.

 

[Frankie]

Choo Choo - watch out for that train!! It's just starting to gain speed.

Good one caustic. You went and got the resident angus journal copy and paste queen fired up.

Here we go again. :roll:

And if you'll pay attention, you'll see my comments were not aimed at Caustic. They were in response to Guest25. It's a fast moving world, don't let it run over you. BTW, if you don't like my posts, don't read them.

 

[Frankie]

There is no bad breed just poor cattleman with poor management. Angus were a good breed like a lot of others until they started slipping Maine into the woodpile. The thing thats bothers me about the Angus people is they can't see that all breeds have a place in a given enviroment. They want to turn the world black and spout about pure Angus.

I disagree. I think there are some sorry breeds that the beef industry would be better off without. Yes, we want to turn the US cattle world black and we're doing a good job. I think purebred Angus will work most any where and that as the beef industry turns more and more to branded programs, straightbred cattle of any breed will become more and more common. But we all know about opinions. You have yours; I have mine.

Its just amazing how those little Aberdeen Angus cows that weighed 800 pounds and the bulls 1200 went to 2500 lb bulls that don't even resemble Angus.

It's not so amazing when you take time to understand some genetic information. Hip height is one of the most heritable traits in beef cattle. If all you're looking to do is add height, a couple of generations of breeding the biggest to the biggest will get you a big cow. Exactly how many Angus bulls do you know of that weigh 2500 lbs? Serious question here.

Ah yes Frankie I do have some registered Angus in my pasture.They are not the best cattle, good but not the best.
From a cowmans view I will pick a Certified Herf/Bramer or Brangus as the best cattle. They return the most profit with the least income input.

What's a Certifed Herf/Bramer...? Is that a breed or a beef program? You can certainly buy a Hereford, Brahman, or Brangus for less money than Angus. So from that point, maybe you can make more money. From your cowman's view, you should pick what will work for you; that doesn't mean it will work for me or anyone else.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

 

[jscunn]

Dont let them get to you it is just sour grapes :lol: .

Guest25,
How would you have started the CAB program ~15 years ago?
EID & RIF tags did not exist. At the time MOST black hided cattle had Angus influence in them. The association started the program to sell Angus bulls & old time commercial cattleman are slow to change. The association wanted it to be easy to enroll pens of cattle to create demand. To create availble cattle to meet the demands of the CAB brand.

Frankie,
They are just made that mine and your calves are bringing more money at the stockyard. At least they are down here.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Dont let them get to you it is just sour grapes :lol: .

Guest25,
How would you have started the CAB program ~15 years ago?
EID & RIF tags did not exist. At the time MOST black hided cattle had Angus influence in them. The association started the program to sell Angus bulls & old time commercial cattleman are slow to change. The association wanted it to be easy to enroll pens of cattle to create demand. To create availble cattle to meet the demands of the CAB brand.

Frankie,
They are just made that mine and your calves are bringing more money at the stockyard. At least they are down here.

Seriously doubt inferior black hided calfs are selling for more than superior colored calfs unless your buyers are fools also.
Its quality at our salebarns no matter the color which is about management not hide color.

 

[Muratic]

I've come to the conclusion that angus folk and Democraps are a lot alike. The can make a career out of taking someone elses words and calling them theirs. That way they don't have to think for themselves. All their opinions are brainwashed in.

 

[jscunn]

First of all get your cut and paste right. I did not say all of that and I wish you would not put words in my mouth.
Second of all since you are so brillant and have all this research about breeds that grade better than Angus please share it with the class. Even though I am an Angus breeder, I did learn to read (That was for you Caustic).
If its the hereford part of the baldie that is fetching that premium then how come herford calves don't bring more than Angus calves? If its is that Herford bringing all that money to them baldies then how come there aren't more Hereford bulls sold than Angus bulls? You know what is bringing that premium.... It is the fact that the buyer knows the calf is crossbred (At least until those black herfords get off the ground ). Everytime I hear someone talk about tender beef vs marbling it is always out of the mouth of someone whose cattle don't grade.

Just for your information Guest our cattle do grade. Our last 5 steers for freezer beef customers Graded 40% Low Prime, 60% Mid Choice (thats 100%) 40 % YG2 and 60% YG3 (thats also 100%). The reason for this is simple --Genetics. Three Years ago we only did about 45-50% mid choice or better. You know what we did we bought a better Angus bull. Not a slab sided high IMF bull either. A bull that had a 14.8 in RE @ a year who was slightly positive for marbling. He bred 48 cows last year.

Muratic,
Man that was low calling me a democrap. What did I ever do to you? What career did Angus people make out of taking someone else words and making it their own??

 

[jscunn]

I will continue to answer your questions but when are you going to answer mine.
The grader was the Extension Agent in my county... before you get that answer out of your mouth... his previous employer USDA job title Inspector/grader.
Yes I understand that YG3 cattle MAY be discounted in the future. When my customers tell me our cattle are too fat I will slaughter them sooner. Oh my gosh the horror low and mid choice instead of mid choice and low prime. By the way smart guy one of the low prime was a YG2. What about that one? I guess he was too small. No wait I have the hanging weights around here somewhere.... oh here it is 802 lb!!!!!! I sell by the pound too so I am not trying to sell some early maturing FS 3 cattle.

What type cattle do you raise?
You are the one with all these breeds of beef cattle that grade better than Angus where are those answers????????????????????? Show me some data or I will show you the door. I didnt come in here bashing your onion heads (which I happen to like), apple butts, Bramers, etc. I am just sick and tired of people bashing the breed because they are JEALOUS!!!

 

[Caustic Burno]

First of all get your cut and paste right. I did not say all of that and I wish you would not put words in my mouth.
Second of all since you are so brillant and have all this research about breeds that grade better than Angus please share it with the class. Even though I am an Angus breeder, I did learn to read (That was for you Caustic).
If its the hereford part of the baldie that is fetching that premium then how come herford calves don't bring more than Angus calves? If its is that Herford bringing all that money to them baldies then how come there aren't more Hereford bulls sold than Angus bulls? You know what is bringing that premium.... It is the fact that the buyer knows the calf is crossbred (At least until those black herfords get off the ground ). Everytime I hear someone talk about tender beef vs marbling it is always out of the mouth of someone whose cattle don't grade.

Just for your information Guest our cattle do grade. Our last 5 steers for freezer beef customers Graded 40% Low Prime, 60% Mid Choice (thats 100%) 40 % YG2 and 60% YG3 (thats also 100%). The reason for this is simple --Genetics. Three Years ago we only did about 45-50% mid choice or better. You know what we did we bought a better Angus bull. Not a slab sided high IMF bull either. A bull that had a 14.8 in RE @ a year who was slightly positive for marbling. He bred 48 cows last year.

Muratic,
Man that was low calling me a democrap. What did I ever do to you? What career did Angus people make out of taking someone else words and making it their own??

Ah Angry Angus breeder maybe you should learn to read also as I stated my prefered cattle where Certified F-1's and brangus,I made no statement about black baldie calves beating the red baldies. In most cases the reds win as they have superior mothers in the Cert F-1's to the Brangus. In that case the Hereford Bramer cross is superior to the Angus Bramer cross. I know it is hard to swallow that 1/2 Hereford/Bramer cows fetch in excess of 2 grand, there is a reason cattlemen pay that kind of money. It comes down to the most profitable animal.

 

[Frankie]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

I know what an F-1 is; both in cattle and beans. You didn't say an F1, you said "Certified Herf/Bramer..." With all your wide ranging knowledge, I thought maybe you could teach me something. Guess not in this case.

 

[buckaroo_bif]

do they expect people to Really Eat those gol durn things???? :shock:

 

[buckaroo_bif]

and you know i see all this bickering about "my breeds the best and anybody that raises anything else is a retard" type attitude all the time here that is why I RARELY Pay Any Attention to the breeds board.!
which i would like to comment on if'n you all don't mind...
"What is the big dad gum deal anyway if one guy wants to raise brahmers and if that works for him in His part of the country and His operation then so be it! What works well in Texas may not do all that well in Oklahoma per se. Myself I Love black angus and I will raise nothing else in years to come. I have my Own reasons for my preference. They work for me and they SELL BETTER in my locality. They may not sell worth a darn in Texas so what the hail I Don't Sell Cattle In Texass!"
thag you very buch...!
bif

 

[buckaroo_bif]

AND!!! you know something else by gol durn dad gummit! We have fattened our own beef and Eaten our Own Beef for probably 30 years and we have tried All different kinds of breeds from herefords to charlois to brahma crosses black baldies limousins, shoot you name it. (just not a dad gum water buffalo or and kind of bison!!)
We now fatten Black Angus and unless my steak knife and my taste buds are deceiving me the angus beef is not only Much More TENDER it tastes better!!. I mean as in Better Flavor, much much better that the stringy meat you get from an "unmentioned" breed that we have fattened in the past.
If somebody wants to eat a water buffalo then fine by me I durn sure ain't eating one!
Black angus work for me, bottom line
bif

 

[tripleS]

I know I'm fairly new on here but i thought this topic was to discuss water buffalo not to listen to a bunch of grown men fuss at each other like 6 year old girls. The fact is that there is a certified angus beef program. If you can benefit from it good. If you can't or don't want to then fine. No one is making anyone do anything. I like cattletoday because I can learn stuff about cattle that I admittingly don't know, but this is ridiculus.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

I know what an F-1 is; both in cattle and beans. You didn't say an F1, you said "Certified Herf/Bramer..." With all your wide ranging knowledge, I thought maybe you could teach me something. Guess not in this case.

Apparently you didn't as any one that knows beans or cattle knows a F-1 is a cross between any 2 breeds.
Certified F-1's are Hereford/Bramer crosses .

 

[Tod Dague]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

I know what an F-1 is; both in cattle and beans. You didn't say an F1, you said "Certified Herf/Bramer..." With all your wide ranging knowledge, I thought maybe you could teach me something. Guess not in this case.

Apparently you didn't as any one that knows beans or cattle knows a F-1 is a cross between any 2 breeds.
Certified F-1's are Hereford/Bramer crosses .

I didn't know that Hereford/Bramer was the only F-1 that was certified. Is this certified via the Brahman Association?

 

[Caustic Burno]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

I know what an F-1 is; both in cattle and beans. You didn't say an F1, you said "Certified Herf/Bramer..." With all your wide ranging knowledge, I thought maybe you could teach me something. Guess not in this case.

Apparently you didn't as any one that knows beans or cattle knows a F-1 is a cross between any 2 breeds.
Certified F-1's are Hereford/Bramer crosses .

I didn't know that Hereford/Bramer was the only F-1 that was certified. Is this certified via the Brahman Association?

The ABBA certifies F-1 golden which is a hereford/bramer cross. There is a big sale at Sealy Texas every year these cattle are in high demand

 

[Crowderfarms]

I am surprised you do not know what a certified F-1 is.
Thanks for proving my point that Angus breeders are blinded by black.

http://www.port-city.com/SS.ABBA.NewsRelease.pdf

I know what an F-1 is; both in cattle and beans. You didn't say an F1, you said "Certified Herf/Bramer..." With all your wide ranging knowledge, I thought maybe you could teach me something. Guess not in this case.

Apparently you didn't as any one that knows beans or cattle knows a F-1 is a cross between any 2 breeds.
Some folks don't know the difference between an F-1 and an F-16. One walks, one Flies.
Certified F-1's are Hereford/Bramer crosses .

I didn't know that Hereford/Bramer was the only F-1 that was certified. Is this certified via the Brahman Association?

The ABBA certifies F-1 golden which is a hereford/bramer cross. There is a big sale at Sealy Texas every year these cattle are in high demand

Apparently you didn't as any one that knows beans or cattle knows a F-1 is a cross between any 2 breeds.
Some folks don't know the difference between an F-1 and an F-16. One walks, one Flies