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<blockquote data-quote="Jeanne - Simme Valley" data-source="post: 846430" data-attributes="member: 968"><p>Wow - Shortstuff - evidently I really pulled your chain. :shock: </p><p>You missed the point. I never said heifers needed to be fed grain - I said they should be fed to be in BCS of 6 to 6.5. My heifers are bred to calve at 21-24 months old, then turned out on grass and never see grain again - none of my cows get grain - they are managed like a commercial herd, with a 60 day calving season. Yes, they do get fed 4-5# shell corn/hd/day thru the winter as weaned heifers. You need to adjust your comments to AREAS. Your heifers would not fair in my weather without some suppliment HERE as they do in your Kentucky weather.</p><p>Also, we are not talking crossbreeding. Your Lowline bull probably has a mature weight closer to an average British bull than a Jersey or Longhorn.</p><p>In the beginning, I might not have made myself clear enough. I was referring to breeders of one breed of cattle, going outside their breed in order to calve out their heifers. I feel in this day & age, there isn't really much use for a breed that cannot provide calving ease sires WITHIN their breed. </p><p>I never said somebody crossbreeding has throwaway heifers. If you are raising commercial cattle, you would be a fool NOT to crossbreed. People in the grass fed business NEED to raise smaller framed, lower finish weight cattle. </p><p>Of course, in most crossbreeding programs, they breed smaller cows to larger bulls, to get the increased WW from small cows, since our highest cost is the cost of feeding the COWHERD, not the bull. But, we are talking heifers. And if your Lowline bull is giving you money making calves, that's absolutely wonderful.</p><p>As I always say, bottom line IS the BOTTOM LINE.</p><p>I think most other posters on here got my point. </p><p>Did I bash Lowline cattle? No, I merely was making a point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeanne - Simme Valley, post: 846430, member: 968"] Wow - Shortstuff - evidently I really pulled your chain. :shock: You missed the point. I never said heifers needed to be fed grain - I said they should be fed to be in BCS of 6 to 6.5. My heifers are bred to calve at 21-24 months old, then turned out on grass and never see grain again - none of my cows get grain - they are managed like a commercial herd, with a 60 day calving season. Yes, they do get fed 4-5# shell corn/hd/day thru the winter as weaned heifers. You need to adjust your comments to AREAS. Your heifers would not fair in my weather without some suppliment HERE as they do in your Kentucky weather. Also, we are not talking crossbreeding. Your Lowline bull probably has a mature weight closer to an average British bull than a Jersey or Longhorn. In the beginning, I might not have made myself clear enough. I was referring to breeders of one breed of cattle, going outside their breed in order to calve out their heifers. I feel in this day & age, there isn't really much use for a breed that cannot provide calving ease sires WITHIN their breed. I never said somebody crossbreeding has throwaway heifers. If you are raising commercial cattle, you would be a fool NOT to crossbreed. People in the grass fed business NEED to raise smaller framed, lower finish weight cattle. Of course, in most crossbreeding programs, they breed smaller cows to larger bulls, to get the increased WW from small cows, since our highest cost is the cost of feeding the COWHERD, not the bull. But, we are talking heifers. And if your Lowline bull is giving you money making calves, that's absolutely wonderful. As I always say, bottom line IS the BOTTOM LINE. I think most other posters on here got my point. Did I bash Lowline cattle? No, I merely was making a point. [/QUOTE]
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