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<blockquote data-quote="shortstuff" data-source="post: 846380" data-attributes="member: 7807"><p>You have got be kidding me! Feed heifers? What are you a feed salesperson? Any heifer that can't bred, calve unassisted, and breed back on ONLY pasture and hay needs to be culled and sent straight to the sale barn, especially with high grain prices. And if they are purebred why would you want to add those poor doing inferior genetics that need to be fed to the genepool?</p><p></p><p>You make a serious mistake with your "throw away calf" argument, because what you said isn't quite reality. In 2004, I bought an average Lowline bull to try as a crossbreeding experiment. We had 3 Tarentaise heifers that were under a year of age and a commercial Red Angus heifer that was a little older. Despite the 3 Tarentaise all calving unassisted before the age of 2, all 4 heifers bred back on time. Since we never pulled the bull, 2 of them (50%) even calved a month earlier the following year!The kicker is that this was done on 6 acres of pasture & the pasture wasn't the best either. No supplement except for a mineral block (not loose) & hay from a neighbors field. But, the best part is that the only steer calf was weaned & fed only a limited amount of soy hulls for about 45-60 days. We were going to grass finish, but decided to sell him due to lack of space to properly do it, so we started feeding him some hulls & we took him to the sale barn. As the Lord is my witness, he brought $749.94 gross! His dam was one of the 2 that bred back a month early the following year!! Without being fed anything extra!!! We kept 2 of the heifers for cows and they have been great. We sold one of the other heifer (out of the commercial red angus) and we got $1,500 for her (hardly throw away price). Since most grassfed people are willing to pay premium of 10-30 cents over market for grassfed stockers, we have only taken 4 of the half Lowline weanling age calves to the sale barn. Everytime to free up additional space and except for the $749.94 steer, it was out youngest calves that went to market. None of them has brought less than $548, despite them being some of the smallest and the least desirable of the group. Not too bad for "throw aways", especially when you don't have to worry about feeding the heifers to bcs of 6-6.5! I don't know what to tell you except that you are very wrong on your assumption. Very wrong! Quite honestly I don't care what you do or raise, but I do wish that you would not make assumptions about things that you obviously have no personal experience with. </p><p></p><p>With all that said, my memory is not as perfect as it used to be, so I double checked these facts and corrected the steer price to "no less than $548". I thought it was no less than $650, but upon further review, I was wrong. To the best of my knowledge the above info is now 100% accurate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shortstuff, post: 846380, member: 7807"] You have got be kidding me! Feed heifers? What are you a feed salesperson? Any heifer that can't bred, calve unassisted, and breed back on ONLY pasture and hay needs to be culled and sent straight to the sale barn, especially with high grain prices. And if they are purebred why would you want to add those poor doing inferior genetics that need to be fed to the genepool? You make a serious mistake with your "throw away calf" argument, because what you said isn't quite reality. In 2004, I bought an average Lowline bull to try as a crossbreeding experiment. We had 3 Tarentaise heifers that were under a year of age and a commercial Red Angus heifer that was a little older. Despite the 3 Tarentaise all calving unassisted before the age of 2, all 4 heifers bred back on time. Since we never pulled the bull, 2 of them (50%) even calved a month earlier the following year!The kicker is that this was done on 6 acres of pasture & the pasture wasn't the best either. No supplement except for a mineral block (not loose) & hay from a neighbors field. But, the best part is that the only steer calf was weaned & fed only a limited amount of soy hulls for about 45-60 days. We were going to grass finish, but decided to sell him due to lack of space to properly do it, so we started feeding him some hulls & we took him to the sale barn. As the Lord is my witness, he brought $749.94 gross! His dam was one of the 2 that bred back a month early the following year!! Without being fed anything extra!!! We kept 2 of the heifers for cows and they have been great. We sold one of the other heifer (out of the commercial red angus) and we got $1,500 for her (hardly throw away price). Since most grassfed people are willing to pay premium of 10-30 cents over market for grassfed stockers, we have only taken 4 of the half Lowline weanling age calves to the sale barn. Everytime to free up additional space and except for the $749.94 steer, it was out youngest calves that went to market. None of them has brought less than $548, despite them being some of the smallest and the least desirable of the group. Not too bad for "throw aways", especially when you don't have to worry about feeding the heifers to bcs of 6-6.5! I don't know what to tell you except that you are very wrong on your assumption. Very wrong! Quite honestly I don't care what you do or raise, but I do wish that you would not make assumptions about things that you obviously have no personal experience with. With all that said, my memory is not as perfect as it used to be, so I double checked these facts and corrected the steer price to "no less than $548". I thought it was no less than $650, but upon further review, I was wrong. To the best of my knowledge the above info is now 100% accurate. [/QUOTE]
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