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<blockquote data-quote="showing71" data-source="post: 840188" data-attributes="member: 11621"><p>It's always hard to really get a feel for someone's operation, meaning, etc. through typing on an internet forum. Jeanne- great topic. And I realize people do things differently, I was just trying to shed some light as to why someone out there with PB seedstock - especially one who has a, for lack of better word, rare breed - might not breed heifers PB the first time around. I'm not breeding them to something that would produce a 'dink' calf, the crossbred calves out of my heifers gain just as well as everything else. </p><p></p><p>I guess the point I was trying to make was that, yes on my Angus and Red Angus heifers, I use proven AI sires of their respected breeds (not chasing the next hottest thing, especially on heifers) because they have <strong>substantial </strong>data to back up that they are truly CE. Could I use one of my own PB Tarentaise herd bulls on my PB tarentaise heifers, sure I could. But my data of my 2 yr old herd bull is far less accurate, with him only siring approximately 5 PB calves last year (getting the cows who didn't stick AI). Could I try and breed for a PB Tar heifer bull? Sure, but I've worked with a guy who was trying to do just that, produce PB Tarentaise CE heifer bulls, and I thought they all looked like they should have been steered they were so feminine and unimpressive. I can try and match up heifers with the best possible PB Tarentaise AI bull I have in the tank, but the data on them is so small (there were less than 650 registered animals last year to compare), I'm still gambling. </p><p></p><p>So with a breed that doesn't have other PB operations of the same breed on every corner, one that is not popular enough to have sires with ABS or Genex where I can have the possibility of knowing that 999 out of 1000 times a calf will be small enough to count as calving ease, I don't see why going with "better safe than sorry" is bad. Heifers are bad enough to calve, I'm just trying to make it easier on them and me in the long run.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="showing71, post: 840188, member: 11621"] It's always hard to really get a feel for someone's operation, meaning, etc. through typing on an internet forum. Jeanne- great topic. And I realize people do things differently, I was just trying to shed some light as to why someone out there with PB seedstock - especially one who has a, for lack of better word, rare breed - might not breed heifers PB the first time around. I'm not breeding them to something that would produce a 'dink' calf, the crossbred calves out of my heifers gain just as well as everything else. I guess the point I was trying to make was that, yes on my Angus and Red Angus heifers, I use proven AI sires of their respected breeds (not chasing the next hottest thing, especially on heifers) because they have [b]substantial [/b]data to back up that they are truly CE. Could I use one of my own PB Tarentaise herd bulls on my PB tarentaise heifers, sure I could. But my data of my 2 yr old herd bull is far less accurate, with him only siring approximately 5 PB calves last year (getting the cows who didn't stick AI). Could I try and breed for a PB Tar heifer bull? Sure, but I've worked with a guy who was trying to do just that, produce PB Tarentaise CE heifer bulls, and I thought they all looked like they should have been steered they were so feminine and unimpressive. I can try and match up heifers with the best possible PB Tarentaise AI bull I have in the tank, but the data on them is so small (there were less than 650 registered animals last year to compare), I'm still gambling. So with a breed that doesn't have other PB operations of the same breed on every corner, one that is not popular enough to have sires with ABS or Genex where I can have the possibility of knowing that 999 out of 1000 times a calf will be small enough to count as calving ease, I don't see why going with "better safe than sorry" is bad. Heifers are bad enough to calve, I'm just trying to make it easier on them and me in the long run. [/QUOTE]
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