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<blockquote data-quote="showing71" data-source="post: 839873" data-attributes="member: 11621"><p>Just to play a little bit of Devil's advocate here... Like I said in my first post, I use Red Angus proven CE AI sires on my purebred Tarentaise heifers for their first calf - and just to clarify, every cow or heifer on my place gets AI'd before going to pasture with the herd bulls. In a breed like Tarentaise, which aren't considered a true CE breed, I don't have access to the amount of bulls out there for AI like many other breeds, let alone have a selection of proven CE AI sires. I also would have to drive over 5 hours to find another purebred breeder who would <strong>maybe</strong> (a big maybe) have a bull that could be used on heifers. And even then it's not a guarantee that he'll be true CE, especially in a breed where we don't have enough numbers to truly examine low BW bloodlines or EPDs. </p><p></p><p>Yes, I have AI'd Tar heifers to Tar bulls that were lower BW, but the bull was no where near what could be classified as CE. And yes, I have had some purebred calves from this mating born at or below 80 lb. But, I have also had heifers bred the same way have 100 lb calves, and I know cow lines have something to do with it - and I do keep track of this and cull when I see a pattern in the cow line, but there are flukes. As cows, they can be bred to whatever purebred bull and have no problems whatsoever. So, do I take the risk of having purebred calves out of heifers that I will have to, at the very least, assist somewhat? Or do I continue to breed them to proven CE Red Angus AI sires, and get my 80 lb calves that consistently come out with no problems?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="showing71, post: 839873, member: 11621"] Just to play a little bit of Devil's advocate here... Like I said in my first post, I use Red Angus proven CE AI sires on my purebred Tarentaise heifers for their first calf - and just to clarify, every cow or heifer on my place gets AI'd before going to pasture with the herd bulls. In a breed like Tarentaise, which aren't considered a true CE breed, I don't have access to the amount of bulls out there for AI like many other breeds, let alone have a selection of proven CE AI sires. I also would have to drive over 5 hours to find another purebred breeder who would [b]maybe[/b] (a big maybe) have a bull that could be used on heifers. And even then it's not a guarantee that he'll be true CE, especially in a breed where we don't have enough numbers to truly examine low BW bloodlines or EPDs. Yes, I have AI'd Tar heifers to Tar bulls that were lower BW, but the bull was no where near what could be classified as CE. And yes, I have had some purebred calves from this mating born at or below 80 lb. But, I have also had heifers bred the same way have 100 lb calves, and I know cow lines have something to do with it - and I do keep track of this and cull when I see a pattern in the cow line, but there are flukes. As cows, they can be bred to whatever purebred bull and have no problems whatsoever. So, do I take the risk of having purebred calves out of heifers that I will have to, at the very least, assist somewhat? Or do I continue to breed them to proven CE Red Angus AI sires, and get my 80 lb calves that consistently come out with no problems? [/QUOTE]
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