From what I’m getting from some posts on vaccines, I would be better off to give my one shot pneumonia vaccine and the cattle master gold at the same vaccination time and wait several weeks (maybe 8-9 weeks) then give the Calvary nine vaccine??? due to it taking over most of the immune system. Correct me if I’m not understanding correctly. I am hoping to start working cows next weekend if I can get some help. Anything I’m missing here?
Calvary 9
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kenny thomas
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Cattle master gold must have a booster shot in 3 weeks.
Be very interested in knowing how many give the booster. We do not give the 3-4 week booster. Cows get annual booster and calves get shot at 2-3 months then booster at weaning time. We only pen cows twice a year. April/May and late November.
kenny thomas
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Im just saying what they say. Seen a diagram once from a vet i really trusted.
It showed the protection after the initial shot. Maybe 5%. After the booster it shot up high.
His thought was if you didn't give the booster you were really taking a chance.
My thought is either use products that require 1 shot or just dont waste the money on the first shot.
I was told kinda the opposite. The way I understood was the first shot was probably 90% effective and the second shot was like a clean up. I have no idea if this info was right or wrong. I've been studying on our vaccine protocol lately but haven't read up on the booster shot yet.
kenny thomas
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Maybe some of the vets will chime in. I know people who never give anything and get by.
Copy and Paste but good explanation.
Revaccinating and boostering are often used interchangeably but technically are different. Clearing up the definitions will help everyone be on the same page. As a general rule, give vaccines three weeks apart, whether revaccinating or boostering.
Revaccination
A term used almost exclusively with MLV, revaccination is giving a vaccine more than once to try to reduce the total number of non-responders in a group. Not every animal mounts an immune response to every vaccination. To create a comfortably low proportion of non-responders in a group, give a MLV more than once.
Even in the best-managed herd, the percent responders in one round of vaccination are likely no more than 90%. This leaves 10% of the herd unprotected.
Revaccination with the same efficacy would then leave only 1% of the herd unprotected (10% first vac x 10% 2nd vac = 1% probability in the non-responder group both times).
Booster
This term refers to giving a vaccine more than once to create protective immunity that cannot be achieved with only one dose. With killed vaccines, the first dose presents the antigen to the immune system, resulting in a small immune response, but little to no memory. The second dose presents the antigen again, resulting in a more substantial response from the immune system. The second dose provides protective immunity through memory.
Revaccinating and boostering are often used interchangeably but technically are different. Clearing up the definitions will help everyone be on the same page. As a general rule, give vaccines three weeks apart, whether revaccinating or boostering.
Revaccination
A term used almost exclusively with MLV, revaccination is giving a vaccine more than once to try to reduce the total number of non-responders in a group. Not every animal mounts an immune response to every vaccination. To create a comfortably low proportion of non-responders in a group, give a MLV more than once.
Even in the best-managed herd, the percent responders in one round of vaccination are likely no more than 90%. This leaves 10% of the herd unprotected.
Revaccination with the same efficacy would then leave only 1% of the herd unprotected (10% first vac x 10% 2nd vac = 1% probability in the non-responder group both times).
Booster
This term refers to giving a vaccine more than once to create protective immunity that cannot be achieved with only one dose. With killed vaccines, the first dose presents the antigen to the immune system, resulting in a small immune response, but little to no memory. The second dose presents the antigen again, resulting in a more substantial response from the immune system. The second dose provides protective immunity through memory.
kenny thomas
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Yes, very first time they have shots they need a booster, and afterwards a yearly 1 shot.
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I fully under stand the booster theory with the second round of shots but my question is that I’m told the covexin 8 and Calvary 9 , which ever you use, that it kills most other vaccines effectiveness when given during the same working of the cows. In other words give the Covexin 8 or Calvary 9 and 4/5 weeks give booster, then I assume 5 weeks give the one shot pneumonia and the cattle master gold and 4 weeks later give their 2nd booster shot of the one shot and cattle master gold. Does this make sense.?
wbvs58
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What does your Calvary 9 contain? I assume it does 9 different diseases, I think you have answered your question there.
Ken
Ken
GoWyo
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Cavalry 9 covers:
Product Description
Shown to be effective for the vaccination of healthy cattle 3 months of age or older against disease caused by Clostridium chauvoei, Cl. septicum, Cl. novyi Type B, Cl. haemolyticum, Cl. sordellii, Cl. tetani and Cl. perfringens Types C and D.
I don't see anything about not vaccinating with Cattlemaster at the same time as vaccinating with clostridials. Cows should get Cattlemaster FP5 L5 the first time with a booster and then once annually after that according to the literature. We vaccinate all calves with BoviShield Gold One Shot at branding and preconditioning before weaning and the bull calves and replacements get another of BoviShield Gold (not the One Shot) after weaning. That sets them up for annual boosters of Cattlemaster FP5 in the fall at preg check time.
Product Description
Shown to be effective for the vaccination of healthy cattle 3 months of age or older against disease caused by Clostridium chauvoei, Cl. septicum, Cl. novyi Type B, Cl. haemolyticum, Cl. sordellii, Cl. tetani and Cl. perfringens Types C and D.
I don't see anything about not vaccinating with Cattlemaster at the same time as vaccinating with clostridials. Cows should get Cattlemaster FP5 L5 the first time with a booster and then once annually after that according to the literature. We vaccinate all calves with BoviShield Gold One Shot at branding and preconditioning before weaning and the bull calves and replacements get another of BoviShield Gold (not the One Shot) after weaning. That sets them up for annual boosters of Cattlemaster FP5 in the fall at preg check time.
- Bovilis Cavalry 9 is 7-way cattle vaccine with protection against blackleg, red water, and tetanus. The vaccine is for healthy animals to aid in the prevention of Clostridium chauvoei, septicum, novyi, sordelli, perfringens Types C & D, haemolyticum (bacillary hemoglobinuria/red water), and tetani. Give cattle 2 ml subcutaneous. Repeat in 3 weeks. Calves vaccinated at 3-6 months of age should be given a third dose. Annual booster is recommended.
- It is similar to covexin 8 but only 2ml where covexin 8 is 5ml.
- Reviews
I read some where that the covexin 8 and Calvary 9 , when given with all the vaccines with either that the covexin and Calvary alike stops the other vaccines (cattlemaster gold ) from being effective percentage wise. I’ll try to find that article.
wbvs58
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They are all Clostridial so I guess there is some similarity there. Our Clostridia vaccine can include a couple of Lepto varieties so I guess the manufacturers don't see a problem with overloading the immune system there.
Ken
jshep
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Sounds like the covid jab to me. Is this also a must have to sell catlle at a cattle sell?
This I don’t know. Not required at my sell barn.
farmerjan
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Some times there are cattle associations that will require certain vaccs in order to sell at their sales... usually marketed to be able to ship loads to certain buyers... helps the little guy get uniform load lot prices if his cattle can get comingled with others, that have had the same vacc protocol, in order to make up a full load.
Normal stockyard/sale barn sales do not require any vaccines.... but if the calves have it and it is announced, buyers will often pay a little more because the cattle will have a better chance of staving off sickness since their immune systems have already been "primed" to withstand exposure to some things.
Normal stockyard/sale barn sales do not require any vaccines.... but if the calves have it and it is announced, buyers will often pay a little more because the cattle will have a better chance of staving off sickness since their immune systems have already been "primed" to withstand exposure to some things.
The Calvary 9 covers blackleg.
