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<blockquote data-quote="milkmaid" data-source="post: 512445" data-attributes="member: 852"><p>Heard a statement in psych class the other day... <em>correlation does not equal causation</em>.</p><p></p><p>In other words, the fact that the calf recovered after removing the band does not necessarily mean the band caused the problem. If a calf has a <u><em>mild</em></u> case of anaphylectic (sp, LOL) shock due to meds of some sort, most will recover within about 10 minutes. Had a heifer drop on me awhile back and didn't have epinephrine on hand. Stressful few minutes but she was back on her feet about 5-10 minutes later. (I <em>always </em>carry epinephrine now when giving <em>anything</em>!)</p><p></p><p>I've heard it claimed that folks have noticed more reactions to clostridium vaccines than any other... tetanus falls into that catagory as it's a clostridium.</p><p></p><p>Another thought - some bull calves are wusses. A combination of a mild reaction to the tetanus vaccine and the pain from banding may have put him flat out on the ground, and by the time you cut the band off, the pain was subsiding and his system was stabilizing after the inital shock of the vaccine. Not surprising he got back to his feet soon after. It could have appeared to be caused by the application of the band and solved by the removal of the band, when I'd wager 95% of what you saw was a result of the vaccine.</p><p></p><p>My thoughts anyway. (FWIW, Vicky hasn't been online in months. I have a PM still sitting in my outbox for her whenever she logs on again, LOL.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="milkmaid, post: 512445, member: 852"] Heard a statement in psych class the other day... [i]correlation does not equal causation[/i]. In other words, the fact that the calf recovered after removing the band does not necessarily mean the band caused the problem. If a calf has a [u][i]mild[/i][/u] case of anaphylectic (sp, LOL) shock due to meds of some sort, most will recover within about 10 minutes. Had a heifer drop on me awhile back and didn't have epinephrine on hand. Stressful few minutes but she was back on her feet about 5-10 minutes later. (I [i]always [/i]carry epinephrine now when giving [i]anything[/i]!) I've heard it claimed that folks have noticed more reactions to clostridium vaccines than any other... tetanus falls into that catagory as it's a clostridium. Another thought - some bull calves are wusses. A combination of a mild reaction to the tetanus vaccine and the pain from banding may have put him flat out on the ground, and by the time you cut the band off, the pain was subsiding and his system was stabilizing after the inital shock of the vaccine. Not surprising he got back to his feet soon after. It could have appeared to be caused by the application of the band and solved by the removal of the band, when I'd wager 95% of what you saw was a result of the vaccine. My thoughts anyway. (FWIW, Vicky hasn't been online in months. I have a PM still sitting in my outbox for her whenever she logs on again, LOL.) [/QUOTE]
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