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<blockquote data-quote="Lazy M" data-source="post: 1549620" data-attributes="member: 19946"><p>And she's in the very bottom 5-15% for CE and BW and Docility. "Improve" is a very subjective term. What may be an improvement to you is not as valuable to me. I love the extra growth and performance but don't want to introduce calving issues into my herd. Some of my farms are only checked once or twice a week and I won't be there to pull calves before it's too late. Also not a fan of poor dispositions in cattle..</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Understood, but Angus are naturally calving ease. Even a +1 Angus bull will probably offer better calving ease than other breeds that are deemed "calving ease". My grandfather had a herd of Charolais, great looking cattle, but he was pulling cattle constantly. I hear producers around here talking about pulling calves, prolapses, and such. We rarely pull one, and we aren't losing many either. Occasionally one will need assistance or we will find a dead calf, but that is well within the norm of any operation. </p><p></p><p>In my observation, it's really hard to get that growth out of high CED, low birthweight, low $B bulls. One of the bulls we have offered for sale right now was sired by a Stone Gate bull, he is fantastic from a docility standpoint, he's a baby, he is calving ease +5 CED, but where he really shines is his efficiency numbers, DMI top 1% and $EN top 4%, and he also has a heifer pregnancy EPD of top 3%. I love the bull, but I know he not going to produce big 205 numbers. That's not what he is designed for, he is for "set it and forget it" ranching, and that is exactly what some people want, absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don't have a commercial operation, but may start one before long, and one thing I want is high weaning weights and superior carcass quality. You don't see that too much in KY.[/quote]</p><p>I like most of what you're saying, and being commercial I also put more emphasis on growth. I do want a bull that is at least at breed average for CE/BW, though.</p><p>Not picking on you, but I often think it's amusing how seedstock producers emphasize the legitimacy of some EPDs and discount others. My take is if you claim that some are valid and others aren't: throw the whole dang thing out and let's just look at phenotype like we did in Grandpappy's day..</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Lazy M, post: 1549620, member: 19946"] And she's in the very bottom 5-15% for CE and BW and Docility. "Improve" is a very subjective term. What may be an improvement to you is not as valuable to me. I love the extra growth and performance but don't want to introduce calving issues into my herd. Some of my farms are only checked once or twice a week and I won't be there to pull calves before it's too late. Also not a fan of poor dispositions in cattle..[/quote] Understood, but Angus are naturally calving ease. Even a +1 Angus bull will probably offer better calving ease than other breeds that are deemed "calving ease". My grandfather had a herd of Charolais, great looking cattle, but he was pulling cattle constantly. I hear producers around here talking about pulling calves, prolapses, and such. We rarely pull one, and we aren't losing many either. Occasionally one will need assistance or we will find a dead calf, but that is well within the norm of any operation. In my observation, it's really hard to get that growth out of high CED, low birthweight, low $B bulls. One of the bulls we have offered for sale right now was sired by a Stone Gate bull, he is fantastic from a docility standpoint, he's a baby, he is calving ease +5 CED, but where he really shines is his efficiency numbers, DMI top 1% and $EN top 4%, and he also has a heifer pregnancy EPD of top 3%. I love the bull, but I know he not going to produce big 205 numbers. That's not what he is designed for, he is for "set it and forget it" ranching, and that is exactly what some people want, absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don't have a commercial operation, but may start one before long, and one thing I want is high weaning weights and superior carcass quality. You don't see that too much in KY.[/quote] I like most of what you're saying, and being commercial I also put more emphasis on growth. I do want a bull that is at least at breed average for CE/BW, though. Not picking on you, but I often think it's amusing how seedstock producers emphasize the legitimacy of some EPDs and discount others. My take is if you claim that some are valid and others aren't: throw the whole dang thing out and let's just look at phenotype like we did in Grandpappy's day.. [/QUOTE]
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