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<blockquote data-quote="BC" data-source="post: 584705" data-attributes="member: 67"><p>Okay, but this is where I have to say that sometimes phenotype isn't everything. What about genotype? What if this calf that had good weaning weight, is in good condition, was born as a large calf to a smaller mother? Then THAT get passed on to the heifer, and when SHE calves, be it bull or heifer, chances are we'll have a case of dystocia in our hands. There's other things too: what if this heifer doesn't do well in the environment you've provided for her, like that particularly being a harsher environment than she was raised from.</p><p></p><p>I know I'm not going to win this arguement, but I'm just trying to make a point here: I, personally, wouldn't purchase a heifer without knowing things like this, including seeing the dam and sire.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I was recently at the Noble Foundation in Ardmore, OK and they have been conducting a demonstration where they bought 200 Angus heifers that were 1/2 sisters from Montana and 200 locally produced Angus heifers . The two groups were gate cut and then bred AI either to an Angus or a Limousin. Clean up bulls were full brother sons of each bull. The calves were followed all the way to the feedlot and harvest with performance measured at various times in the production phase.</p><p></p><p>The interesting thing was that there was no statistical advantage to the calves from the 1/2 sisters from Montana over the locally grown females. The only real differences were in sire groups. As expected the Angus sired calves produced more choice carcasses, the Limousin sired calves produced had more YG 2 and bigger ribeyes. 3 or 4 years worth of data.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="BC, post: 584705, member: 67"] Okay, but this is where I have to say that sometimes phenotype isn't everything. What about genotype? What if this calf that had good weaning weight, is in good condition, was born as a large calf to a smaller mother? Then THAT get passed on to the heifer, and when SHE calves, be it bull or heifer, chances are we'll have a case of dystocia in our hands. There's other things too: what if this heifer doesn't do well in the environment you've provided for her, like that particularly being a harsher environment than she was raised from. I know I'm not going to win this arguement, but I'm just trying to make a point here: I, personally, wouldn't purchase a heifer without knowing things like this, including seeing the dam and sire.[/quote] I was recently at the Noble Foundation in Ardmore, OK and they have been conducting a demonstration where they bought 200 Angus heifers that were 1/2 sisters from Montana and 200 locally produced Angus heifers . The two groups were gate cut and then bred AI either to an Angus or a Limousin. Clean up bulls were full brother sons of each bull. The calves were followed all the way to the feedlot and harvest with performance measured at various times in the production phase. The interesting thing was that there was no statistical advantage to the calves from the 1/2 sisters from Montana over the locally grown females. The only real differences were in sire groups. As expected the Angus sired calves produced more choice carcasses, the Limousin sired calves produced had more YG 2 and bigger ribeyes. 3 or 4 years worth of data. [/QUOTE]
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