Buy insurance or go to jail

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Comply or go to jail

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
 
The Senate is acting tough, but enormous pressure was brought to bear in the House and it will be the same in the Senate. Some version of this has a fair chance of passing. The jail time may get stripped, but the fine will remain.
 
I dont think Polosi is smart enough to put this mess together, I believe she is the mouth piece for someone else. My wife worked with Poloz in State Government and Kathy said "Polosi is by far the dumbest B...h I worked with." How did she ever get where she is today. I would like to know. Also, there arent enough jails in this country to hold all the folks that cant afford Health Insurance.
Tom
 
kerley":72pv1anx said:
I dont think Polosi is smart enough to put this mess together, I believe she is the mouth piece for someone else. My wife worked with Poloz in State Government and Kathy said "Polosi is by far the dumbest B...h I worked with." How did she ever get where she is today. I would like to know. Also, there arent enough jails in this country to hold all the folks that cant afford Health Insurance.
Tom
I can't say for sure-but if my suspicions are correct and I stated them this would be deleted.
 
I guess if you don't pay taxes then this doesn't apply to you. This will really be a big windfall for us.
 
So when I don't pay I will go to jail,but then I will have insurance.
 
Wewild":1csyor7h said:
I guess if you don't pay taxes then this doesn't apply to you. This will really be a big windfall for us.

Last I heard, the number they are going by is 150% above the poverty level.
 
HerefordSire":24l5j2a3 said:
Wewild":24l5j2a3 said:
I guess if you don't pay taxes then this doesn't apply to you. This will really be a big windfall for us.

Last I heard, the number they are going by is 150% above the poverty level.

As I said. Just Smoke and mirrors. I don't do smileys.
 
Wewild":2nzsseoh said:
HerefordSire":2nzsseoh said:
Wewild":2nzsseoh said:
I guess if you don't pay taxes then this doesn't apply to you. This will really be a big windfall for us.

Last I heard, the number they are going by is 150% above the poverty level.

As I said. Just Smoke and mirrors. I don't do smileys.


This percentage jumps all the welfare, unemployment, social security, and disability recipients and therefore will garner the most votes with the least amount of money.
 
HerefordSire":3962lmnb said:
EAT BEEF":3962lmnb said:
So when I don't pay I will go to jail,but then I will have insurance.


You won't have insurance. You will have medical care.

I think thats about what I would get if I got gov. insurance.
 
HerefordSire":1s7xnhlw said:
That will never get passed.

I am self insured, so it applies to me.

So you have several hundred thousand $ stuck away in case you get cancer- need multiple surgeries- and extended chemo and treatment-----and/or are you going to throw away your families life savings-----or are you going to do like the freeloaders and let the rest of the insurance payers pick up your bill?

Or are you going to just lie back and die?
 
Won't happen. Impossible to enforce. Consider who uses the ER as primary care... That's all I'm saying.

What ever happened to common sense? What will it take to have a civil discourse on this issue that won't turn into mud slinging and fear mongering?
 
Lammie":3qw3d51r said:
Consider who uses the ER as primary care...

I had to pay $120 when I took my daughter to the ER late one night before they would see us. A buddy said the same happened to him. Not having been in a while, I was wondering if everyone had to do this.
 
Wewild":17zk82ws said:
Lammie":17zk82ws said:
Consider who uses the ER as primary care...

I had to pay $120 when I took my daughter to the ER late one night before they would see us. A buddy said the same happened to him. Not having been in a while, I was wondering if everyone had to do this.

That sounds like a Hipaa violation plain and simple. If you got that on tape you'd own yourself a hospital. By law, they have to screen you. If, however they determine it is not a true emergency they can send you packing. Requesting payment before being admitted is a no no. Happened to me too. Didn't get a hospital but I did get someone's job. My morst recent experience with hospital beauracracy was when they stopped the gurney on my way to have emergency surgery because they wanted my insurance information. :shock:
 
Oldtimer":230at7ln said:
HerefordSire":230at7ln said:
That will never get passed.

I am self insured, so it applies to me.

So you have several hundred thousand $ stuck away in case you get cancer- need multiple surgeries- and extended chemo and treatment-----and/or are you going to throw away your families life savings-----or are you going to do like the freeloaders and let the rest of the insurance payers pick up your bill?

Or are you going to just lie back and die?


Oldtimer...I am glad you asked me the questions. Let's have a laugh first. But, you have to answer my question first at the bottom. OK?

Let me make it as simple as I can.

Ellie Mae and Jethro grew up and got married in Arkansas. They had a small vineyard and grew Cabernet Sauvignon grapes. Jethro loved to make wine from the grapes and Ellie Mae loved to make jam. Jethro expanded and started selling his vintage wine and became very successful. He ended up buying about 1000 acres of which 500 acres were vineyards. Ellie Mae loved to spend money shopping and Jethro loved to make and save money.

During this time, Ellie Mae couldn’t get pregnant so she went to the doctor. The doctor prescribed a fertility drug and Ellie Mae became pregnant a month later. About nine months later, Ellie Mae gave birth to healthy quadruplets. They were all male and she named them Luck, Duck, Buck, and Chuck. Luck and Duck were just like their mother, and Buck and Chuck were just like their father.

When the boys got to be in seventh grade, they had one year more of education than their father. Jethro was very happy the boys received more than a sixth grade education. Jethro grew allot of grapes that year because there were millions of bees to pollinate the vines. He made an additional $20,000 more than he usually made and he was so happy the boys received a sixth grade education so fast and the fact he wanted to hide the money so he wouldn’t have to pay taxes. So he decided to give each of the boys, as a gift, $5,000 a piece. Jethro also told the boys, each of them could have 125 acres but they couldn’t sell the land until they turned 23 years old.

Luck took the cash & invested in a CD at the bank drawing 4% per year. Duck took the cash & bought 9 cows for $4K and a bull @ $1K & put them on his land. Buck took the cash & invested in a CD at the bank drawing 4% per year. Chuck took the cash & bought 1 beautiful cow @ $4,000 and put her on his land and bought $1K worth of female sexed semen.

A year later, Jethro had another good year with the grapes and Ellie Mae and Jethro wanted to hide the money so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes again. This time though, Ellie Mae gave the boys $20,000 and told them to bury the cash somewhere on their land where no one knew just in case they wanted to go shopping. Lucky, Ducky, Bucky, and Chucky did want Ellie Mae said and buried their cash in the ground in secret hiding places in a double layered bread sack.

Each year the boys were faced with a new decision. Luck needed the money he made from his investment so he could go shopping so he renewed the CD at the same rate every year. Duck also needed the cash so he could go shopping so he sold 7 calves every year because one seemed to die each year, one always didn’t settle each year, and he had to put back one replacement each year. Buck loved to save money so each year when his CD came due, he always rolled it over and invested the interest received and the original principal. Chuck loved to save money and didn’t sell any female calves and he artificially inseminated each female a couple of months after she had a calf.

The following year, the bees did not pollinate the grapes and Jethro had to sell his 475 acres of his remaining 500 acres and got a job in town digging ditches since he had to pay all the family bulls. When the boys became 23 years old, this is what they had besides the 125 acres:

……..……..Luck……..……Duck…….....Buck………....Chuck
Yr 00…..5,000………..10 Head……..5,000………. 1 Cow
Yr 01…..5,000………..10 Head……..5,200………. 1 Cow, 1 Heifer Calf
Yr 02…..5,000………..10 Head……..5,408………. 1 Cow, 1 Heifer, 1 Heifer Calf
Yr 03…..5,000………..10 Head……..5,624………. 005 Head
Yr 04…..5,000………..10 Head……..5,849………. 008 Head
Yr 05…..5,000………..10 Head……..6,083………. 013 Head
Yr 06…..5,000………..10 Head……..6,327………. 021 Head
Yr 07…..5,000………..10 Head……..6,580………. 034 Head
Yr 08…..5,000………..10 Head……..6,843………. 055 Head
Yr 09…..5,000………..10 Head……..7,117………. 089 Head
Yr 10…..5,000………..10 Head……..7,402………. 144 Head

Jethro all of the sudden became ill. He had to sell all of his possessions because the price of medical attention was so high. The boys loved their father so much, they wanted to sell everything they had to help their father. All other them sold their 125 acres and gave it to the hospital. They were still short, so each had to sell their 10 year old investments. Luck and Buck cashed their CDs in and gave the doctor $12,402. Duck sold his 10 head by the pound for $6,000. Together they had $18,402 and they were still short $144,000. Chuck had to sell his female herd. This was hard to do because Chuck didn’t take one dime out in 10 years just like his brother Buck. Chuck sold his herd for $1K per head and came up with the $144K. Jethro then died and Ellie Mae went looking for the secret hiding places where the money was buried so she could pay for the funeral.

Do you know where the two buck chuck wine originated?
 
HerefordSire":2lmszmv0 said:
Do you know where the two buck chuck wine originated?

You must be investment banker with a passion for wine.
 
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