Bulls Jumping Bred Cow

[JeffK-MN]

I have a angus cow that gave birth on Aug 9.
We put the bulls in with the cows on Sept.20
She got bred by both bulls on Oct.1 now the last 2 days the bulls are chasing and trying to jump her again. But she will not stand.
Does this mean she slip being bred or what?
Thanks for any info Jeff

 

[Taurus]

That means she is bred.

 

[inyati13]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

 

[dun]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

I see it frequently but it's about 3 weeks post breeding. I figured that it would have been a normal heat cycle so she's releasing heat aromas even though she isn;t in heat.

 

[TexasBred]

That means she is bred.

Horse shyt. Sounds more like she didn't stick the 1st time and is simply not yet "standing". By the time the original poster made his post she may HAVE been standing.

 

[Alan]

That means she is bred.

Horse shyt. Sounds more like she didn't stick the 1st time and is simply not yet "standing". By the time the original poster made his post she may HAVE been standing.

Yup, I just figured he forgot to type a slightly important word. In this case that word would be "not".

 

[Taurus]

That means she is bred.

Horse shyt. Sounds more like she didn't stick the 1st time and is simply not yet "standing". By the time the original poster made his post she may HAVE been standing.

Perhaps you should go palate her and tell us if shes bred or not?

 

[greybeard]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

The word you're looking for is Pheremones--but in your case, with your history of massaging those cows............they're ain't no tellin'...... :banana:

 

[TexasBred]

That means she is bred.

Horse shyt. Sounds more like she didn't stick the 1st time and is simply not yet "standing". By the time the original poster made his post she may HAVE been standing.

Perhaps you should go palate her and tell us if shes bred or not?

No need to at this point. Just watch the bulls and the cow. They'll tell you with 100% accuracy. A "Normal" cycle is around 21 days but that's not chiseled in stone.

 

[TexasBred]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

The word you're looking for is Pheremones--but in your case, with your history of massaging those cows............they're ain't no tellin'...... :banana:

:lol2: :lol2: :cowboy: :lol2: :lol2: GB are you saying he would go out there and purposely stimulate that "go button"??

 

[inyati13]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

The word you're looking for is Pheremones--but in your case, with your history of massaging those cows............they're ain't no tellin'...... :banana:

They are similiar to hormones but are generally forms of chemical communication at lower levels in the hierarchy of plant and animal life. I see the use of the term pheromone in regard to the Flehmen response in bulls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flehmen_response

GB, check this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheromone

 

[inyati13]

Good question. Right answer in my opinion. I wonder what goes on here. I see this routinely. Just saw it Tuesday. Watched the bull breeding a cow on Sept 22. On Tuesday, the bull would try to jump her and stayed right at her side but she was avoiding him. Just like your description. That was 10 days after service. I wonder if about 10 days after being bred, a bred cow emits some hormones in their urine that gives the bull a false notion they are coming back in. I have seen this many times and the cow has always turned out to be bred.

I see it frequently but it's about 3 weeks post breeding. I figured that it would have been a normal heat cycle so she's releasing heat aromas even though she isn;t in heat.

Dun, I got my math wrong. It would have been 17 days post service. Maybe she is just quick.

I would guess someone has studied it and not wanting to look for a study, I will shoot from the hip and agree with you. I have seen it at least a dozen times in the last couple years. A cow is bred, and about 20 days later, the bull is sniffing her out and jumping to mount her. I watch my cows and write down obsevations on a breeding calendar. When I first was seeing this, I thought they were not bred but when they had their calves, the timing suggested they stuck the first time.

 

[JeffK-MN]

Thanks for the info
I saw both bulls breed her on the 1st of Oct. and she stood all the time.
Now it is only the 9th and 10th of Oct. and she will not stand at all. But the bulls are chasing her all over the place. But a lot less on the 10th but still trying when getting water and feed.
Thanks again Jeff

 

[Chris H]

Thanks for the info
I saw both bulls breed her on the 1st of Oct. and she stood all the time.
Now it is only the 9th and 10th of Oct. and she will not stand at all. But the bulls are chasing her all over the place. But a lot less on the 10th but still trying when getting water and feed.
Thanks again Jeff

Technically, she was serviced on Oct 1, you won't know if she's bred until at least her next cycle around the 22nd, and more positively if she's palpated at a minimum of 42 days, and MOST definitely in around 275 more days and you see a calf! Sorry, just an attempt at humor on that one.

The bull are just hoping to get lucky at this time, it would be very unusual for her to be in heat 9 days after a standing heat. Some bulls will jump anything, steers, other bulls, etc.

 

[Backbone Ranch]

We had that happen this year too. Whenever a yearling heifer comes into heat, we will have about 4-5 6 month old bull calves follow the heifer constantly for 2 days. They will mount her and pester her non-stop for that time period. About 3 weeks ago, we had a heifer come into heat and the bull calves were chasing her all over the pasture. Then after two days, they stopped following her. There wasn't any more activity for about a week and then the bull calves were glued to her side again for another two days.

 

[greybeard]

Thanks for the info
I saw both bulls breed her on the 1st of Oct. and she stood all the time.
Now it is only the 9th and 10th of Oct. and she will not stand at all. But the bulls are chasing her all over the place. But a lot less on the 10th but still trying when getting water and feed.
Thanks again Jeff

Technically, she was serviced on Oct 1, you won't know if she's bred until at least her next cycle around the 22nd, and more positively if she's palpated at a minimum of 42 days, and MOST definitely in around 275 more days and you see a calf! Sorry, just an attempt at humor on that one.

The bull are just hoping to get lucky at this time, it would be very unusual for her to be in heat 9 days after a standing heat. Some bulls will jump anything, steers, other bulls, etc.

Yep, there's a big difference between service and being bred and if every service for every species was successful every single time, we wouldn't be able to move without bumping into something alive.

 

[TexasBred]

Yep, there's a big difference between service and being bred and if every service for every species was successful every single time, we wouldn't be able to move without bumping into something alive.

A dog may come as close to 100% conception on 1st service as anything. Especially when it's an unwanted coupling. :lol2:

 

[regolith]

Thanks for the info
I saw both bulls breed her on the 1st of Oct. and she stood all the time.
Now it is only the 9th and 10th of Oct. and she will not stand at all. But the bulls are chasing her all over the place. But a lot less on the 10th but still trying when getting water and feed.
Thanks again Jeff

Technically, she was serviced on Oct 1, you won't know if she's bred until at least her next cycle around the 22nd, and more positively if she's palpated at a minimum of 42 days, and MOST definitely in around 275 more days and you see a calf! Sorry, just an attempt at humor on that one.

The bull are just hoping to get lucky at this time, it would be very unusual for her to be in heat 9 days after a standing heat. Some bulls will jump anything, steers, other bulls, etc.

10 days can be classified as a "normal" short cycle and is usually fertile. That 9 - 11 day interval is generally a true heat, a five day interval or fourteen day interval probably is not.
I recall last year preg-testing a few cows to establish which heat they were holding to, probably had 2 or 3 out of 170 holding to an earlier heat than the most recently observed (meaning they had shown obvious signs of being in heat while pregnant). They've all calved now, everything that I didn't sell calved to their expected date.
Long way of saying, false heats can happen; they're not the norm. My bet is the cow was observed coming into heat, stood unobserved and has now gone out of heat and when she calves no one will know if she conceived on the 1st or the 10th.

*except one. 168 was three weeks past her last AI when she started calving, so the bulls would have got that one without being seen or disturbing her tailpaint.