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<blockquote data-quote="C Bar C Ranch" data-source="post: 1177769" data-attributes="member: 21336"><p>Depending on the way the market swings, I will sell calves at weaning or feed out to about 800#. I am looking towards doing some steer feedout at the University of Arkansas to see if retaining ownership to the rail is an option for the future after some herd growth. In the meantime, I have contacts with the local buyers, and they will come out to buy straight of the farm at weaning. However, I want to give them as uniform a pen of calves as I can, which is why building and maintaining a homogenous herd is important to me. While I do not have my heart set on breeding my own replacements, the resources are available to me. Buying commercial replacement females is well and good, but they will be hard to find locally. That is, females with a known back ground will be hard to find locally. So I feel that with my resources, my back ground in genetics, and the ability to employ AI technology, retaining a core herd of straightbred cows is the best fit for the operation. You mentioned using the terminal sire for clean-up, and that is precisely what I had in mind. </p><p></p><p>My concerns with the Gelbvieh are two fold. My first concern is the quality of the beef. As the market stands now, the packers like cattle that are 50% British 50% Continental. Will taking Gelbvieh cross cows to a Limousine or Charolais bull result in diminished carcass quality? This wouldn't matter when selling at the salebarn right at weaning, but if I am going to deal with cattle brokers I need to give them what they want. My second concern is that it may bring too much extra milk into a well milking herd. Though using a terminal sire on all the GelbviehX cows would mean excessive milking to the point of rolling fat heifers offers no issue from the F2 reproductive standpoint since they are all going to the packer anyway, I still don't want to encounter diminishing returns. More milk still means more input, which in turn means fewer mama cows. Will the Gelbvieh influence of more pounds at weaning equal less total pounds from each calf crop?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="C Bar C Ranch, post: 1177769, member: 21336"] Depending on the way the market swings, I will sell calves at weaning or feed out to about 800#. I am looking towards doing some steer feedout at the University of Arkansas to see if retaining ownership to the rail is an option for the future after some herd growth. In the meantime, I have contacts with the local buyers, and they will come out to buy straight of the farm at weaning. However, I want to give them as uniform a pen of calves as I can, which is why building and maintaining a homogenous herd is important to me. While I do not have my heart set on breeding my own replacements, the resources are available to me. Buying commercial replacement females is well and good, but they will be hard to find locally. That is, females with a known back ground will be hard to find locally. So I feel that with my resources, my back ground in genetics, and the ability to employ AI technology, retaining a core herd of straightbred cows is the best fit for the operation. You mentioned using the terminal sire for clean-up, and that is precisely what I had in mind. My concerns with the Gelbvieh are two fold. My first concern is the quality of the beef. As the market stands now, the packers like cattle that are 50% British 50% Continental. Will taking Gelbvieh cross cows to a Limousine or Charolais bull result in diminished carcass quality? This wouldn't matter when selling at the salebarn right at weaning, but if I am going to deal with cattle brokers I need to give them what they want. My second concern is that it may bring too much extra milk into a well milking herd. Though using a terminal sire on all the GelbviehX cows would mean excessive milking to the point of rolling fat heifers offers no issue from the F2 reproductive standpoint since they are all going to the packer anyway, I still don't want to encounter diminishing returns. More milk still means more input, which in turn means fewer mama cows. Will the Gelbvieh influence of more pounds at weaning equal less total pounds from each calf crop? [/QUOTE]
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