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Bull calf 2 weeks early No suck reflex.
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<blockquote data-quote="Chuckie" data-source="post: 1846645" data-attributes="member: 637"><p>Noticed that he has better use of his tongue when I tubed him. I held his tongue down a bit with my thumb, and he tried to pull it from underneath the pressure. I messed with his tongue a bit so he would realize that he could use it. But the tone is much better today. His neck is like his full sisters neck, just very thick. I think he was more relaxed and could feel the tube up at the top a little better, but it disappears quickly. Just incredible thickness along the esophagus and wind pipe of muscle so that it does not stand out alone like it did on the Angus. This is a new breed for me and I am learning as I go. Here is his full sister 7 or 8 months. Just extremely thick cattle. Just a lot of mass underneath. </p><p></p><p>Gave him a shot of the Multimin 90, in the rump, sub Q, as not to make his neck sore. Let's see if that changes his tongue a bit. </p><p></p><p>I am used to Angus udders, but notice how extremely large the mother's udder became , the teats on all the Piedmontese I am seeing point forward as if it is designed for the calf to walk up and get poked in the eye. Sure makes the searching easy!!</p><p></p><p>Here is where my problem started I feel...</p><p></p><p>I had purchased a protein tub for a 3 and 5 month old calf. Told the man I wanted no Urea. He said this one has no urea, and I have feed for the calves and hay, but wanted to make sure they did not go lacking for anything as they were pulled early. Rolled the tub out of the back of my truck and it hit mud and the tub go so muddy. Tore the top off and carried the top inside with me to read when I sat down. Started reading the top, and CRAP! It has Urea in it. Same man that told me every ingredient in Vita Ferm was chelated. WRONG again. Anything to sell a product.... Went back out the next day and threw it out to the big cows as they get feed as well. Bought the calves a protein tub a horse, or goat could eat at 16%. </p><p></p><p>I have a feeling my cows were going to the mineral tub more than the mineral because of the molasses. </p><p>My calves go to the mineral and I keep having to add it even with their mineral tub. I have a feeling the other with molasses is like a sucker with a touch of salt. I just looked up the selenium on the Crystal Lyx, and it was 8.8 ppm. BOO!!! I think this is where my shortage is that they went to the tub instead of the mineral itself. If the tub had not been in there, I would have had to add more mineral, but I have not. I screwed up!! First protein tub I have ever used. And the last....</p><p></p><p>No more freaking protein/mineral tubs......... They would have been consuming 30 ppm selenium in the mineral. When my Grandson comes this afternoon, we must get it out of the mud and out of their reach. They have plenty protein, but did not want to throw it away as they are not cheap. </p><p></p><p>I have never had this problem before.... lesson learned. </p><p></p><p>I think he is like what [USER=25296]@Hereford2[/USER] said, short on selenium. </p><p>I am going to pick up a bottle of B12 when I go out... I am not planning on losing this calf. </p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]42683[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]42684[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]42685[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chuckie, post: 1846645, member: 637"] Noticed that he has better use of his tongue when I tubed him. I held his tongue down a bit with my thumb, and he tried to pull it from underneath the pressure. I messed with his tongue a bit so he would realize that he could use it. But the tone is much better today. His neck is like his full sisters neck, just very thick. I think he was more relaxed and could feel the tube up at the top a little better, but it disappears quickly. Just incredible thickness along the esophagus and wind pipe of muscle so that it does not stand out alone like it did on the Angus. This is a new breed for me and I am learning as I go. Here is his full sister 7 or 8 months. Just extremely thick cattle. Just a lot of mass underneath. Gave him a shot of the Multimin 90, in the rump, sub Q, as not to make his neck sore. Let's see if that changes his tongue a bit. I am used to Angus udders, but notice how extremely large the mother's udder became , the teats on all the Piedmontese I am seeing point forward as if it is designed for the calf to walk up and get poked in the eye. Sure makes the searching easy!! Here is where my problem started I feel... I had purchased a protein tub for a 3 and 5 month old calf. Told the man I wanted no Urea. He said this one has no urea, and I have feed for the calves and hay, but wanted to make sure they did not go lacking for anything as they were pulled early. Rolled the tub out of the back of my truck and it hit mud and the tub go so muddy. Tore the top off and carried the top inside with me to read when I sat down. Started reading the top, and CRAP! It has Urea in it. Same man that told me every ingredient in Vita Ferm was chelated. WRONG again. Anything to sell a product.... Went back out the next day and threw it out to the big cows as they get feed as well. Bought the calves a protein tub a horse, or goat could eat at 16%. I have a feeling my cows were going to the mineral tub more than the mineral because of the molasses. My calves go to the mineral and I keep having to add it even with their mineral tub. I have a feeling the other with molasses is like a sucker with a touch of salt. I just looked up the selenium on the Crystal Lyx, and it was 8.8 ppm. BOO!!! I think this is where my shortage is that they went to the tub instead of the mineral itself. If the tub had not been in there, I would have had to add more mineral, but I have not. I screwed up!! First protein tub I have ever used. And the last.... No more freaking protein/mineral tubs......... They would have been consuming 30 ppm selenium in the mineral. When my Grandson comes this afternoon, we must get it out of the mud and out of their reach. They have plenty protein, but did not want to throw it away as they are not cheap. I have never had this problem before.... lesson learned. I think he is like what [USER=25296]@Hereford2[/USER] said, short on selenium. I am going to pick up a bottle of B12 when I go out... I am not planning on losing this calf. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1DF9882B-B39A-4994-B5BE-F6B7B162E82F_4_5005_c.jpeg"]42683[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="P1020931.JPG"]42684[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="P1020937.JPG"]42685[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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