CPLReed
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I am wanting to raise a small herd of quality dexter, but I'm not sure if you can show this breed in FFA/4-H. What breeds can & can't you use in FFA? I'm not in FFA anymore, but I want to be able to sell to members.
That, or more show popular purebred breeds such as Shorthorn, Angus, Maine, Simmental, etc.3waycross":1ydg7mfk said:It's a waste of time for them to show anything but "club calf" genetics.
showing71":13bvhh5r said:That, or more show popular purebred breeds such as Shorthorn, Angus, Maine, Simmental, etc.3waycross":13bvhh5r said:It's a waste of time for them to show anything but "club calf" genetics.
I don't think you're wrong. It all goes back to the same old debate... the judges. If they'd pick what really works in the 'real world' then the show industry would completely change. I've only seen 2 judges at youth shows pick an animal that works in the real world, and I've been showing for 18 years.3waycross":1nv3ewd7 said:showing71":1nv3ewd7 said:That, or more show popular purebred breeds such as Shorthorn, Angus, Maine, Simmental, etc.3waycross":1nv3ewd7 said:It's a waste of time for them to show anything but "club calf" genetics.
Same difference. Anything that has any real world value as a commercial cow will not fit their criteria......it just is what it is!
If you think I am wrong then tell me why the commericial calves always lose the beauty contest and then win the carcass competition.
VCC said:Our "Club claves" had a 2.7 to 3.5 ADG, finished choice or better (we had 3 go prime), we selected them to ultimately show as fats, so we did give up a little in the jackpots. (We did not pick the puds that looked finshed at 800 pounds)
We do not have a carcass competition in our area so all we can go off is the buyers feed back, they have never been disappointed in the product and purchased the boys steers for 9 years in a row. When the butcher calls to tell you how good the carcass looks, it came back from the plant stamped "USDA Prime" you have to figure it is OK.
We selected calves that were balanced with growth potential, finished at or near the top every year and delivered a quality product with Club Calf genetics. Bonus was they had the look as well as the product to back it up.
Would I buy one to feed out for myself, not unless I got if for market price. Would I buy a commercial steer for showing, not unless it looked like a club calf.[/quote]
That was my point. To me it's an industry all it's own. You virtually never see "club calf" sires touted as being used in commercial cowherd because they are breed improvers. They are poodles bred to breed poodles. Having said that I know that there are some mainstream Angus (Northern Improvement being one) sires who will throw some real showy calves.
This is one of the reasons I like "Breed" shows since at least they are showing against their own kind.
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Same difference. Anything that has any real world value as a commercial cow will not fit their criteria......it just is what it is!
If you think I am wrong then tell me why the commericial calves always lose the beauty contest and then win the carcass competition.
VCC":184lrkhr said:I just think calves with a little front to them tend to convert better and have a little more storage capacity. The goose fronted calves just seem to take a little longer to get the weight on. Don't get me wrong they are not all like that but it tends to be more are than not.
Let me clarify that, a little bit of front on them, I don't mean a Shar-Pei, but not a Greyhound either.