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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1167353" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>Sorry, but y'all are just applying human taboos to this deal.</p><p>OK, I get it - people are uneasy about 'incest'. They're CATTLE, not people, they have no 'morals'.</p><p>I also understand that since seedstock producers have to deal with that mindset among their potential clients, that they rarely do those matings.</p><p></p><p>There is nothing inherently wrong - especially in a commercial herd - with letting a bull breed his daughters (or a son mate with the dam, TT). If you like the traits that the bull brings to the table, you'll just be concentrating them. IF however, there are any genetic defects lurking in the background, the likelihood that they'll be expressed is increased. Close-breeding doesn't CREATE defects - it just reveals them if they're lurking there. Before the advent of our current genetic testing methods, the only way to prove a bull free of defects was to breed him to 35 of his own daughters; if all calves were normal, you could assume with about 99% certainty that the bull was not a carrier. </p><p></p><p>IMO, there's nothing inherently wrong with allowing a bull to breed his own daughters, and if you're a commercial outfit selling stocker/feeder calves - or even commercial replacements...nobody's gonna care who their sire is. Also, if you're a one-bull operation, it allows you to get at least a couple more years of use out of the ol' boy before you feel the need to replace him. </p><p></p><p>Current walking sire here is coming up on 10 yrs old. He has been relegated to cleanup status following AI on most of the herd for the past 6-7 years. Have had a few calves born to sire-daughter matings. Steers have been fine. Have kept a couple of the heifers, and they are nice. We like the bull, we like his daughters; don't mind - and not worried in the least about - the sire/daughter mating. </p><p></p><p>Do what you want, but taken at face value, there's nothing wrong with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1167353, member: 12607"] Sorry, but y'all are just applying human taboos to this deal. OK, I get it - people are uneasy about 'incest'. They're CATTLE, not people, they have no 'morals'. I also understand that since seedstock producers have to deal with that mindset among their potential clients, that they rarely do those matings. There is nothing inherently wrong - especially in a commercial herd - with letting a bull breed his daughters (or a son mate with the dam, TT). If you like the traits that the bull brings to the table, you'll just be concentrating them. IF however, there are any genetic defects lurking in the background, the likelihood that they'll be expressed is increased. Close-breeding doesn't CREATE defects - it just reveals them if they're lurking there. Before the advent of our current genetic testing methods, the only way to prove a bull free of defects was to breed him to 35 of his own daughters; if all calves were normal, you could assume with about 99% certainty that the bull was not a carrier. IMO, there's nothing inherently wrong with allowing a bull to breed his own daughters, and if you're a commercial outfit selling stocker/feeder calves - or even commercial replacements...nobody's gonna care who their sire is. Also, if you're a one-bull operation, it allows you to get at least a couple more years of use out of the ol' boy before you feel the need to replace him. Current walking sire here is coming up on 10 yrs old. He has been relegated to cleanup status following AI on most of the herd for the past 6-7 years. Have had a few calves born to sire-daughter matings. Steers have been fine. Have kept a couple of the heifers, and they are nice. We like the bull, we like his daughters; don't mind - and not worried in the least about - the sire/daughter mating. Do what you want, but taken at face value, there's nothing wrong with it. [/QUOTE]
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