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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm2" data-source="post: 137753" data-attributes="member: 2095"><p>Jean, I am not doubting your ability to raise cattle; but I don't think you have a lot of experience buying lite stockyard heifers and trying to turn them into decent commercial cows. You wouldn't more than double the weight of your 650 lb weaned heifers and turn them into 1350 pound yearlings and Chester better not get so hot with that ration that he turns those little 400 pound heifers into 850 pound 12 month old heifers either. Your trying to get them to 65% of their mature body weight by 15 months old NOT finish them. You more than double the weight of almost any heifer between weaning and puberty and you are really risking her laying fat down where her udder is supposed to be. That is how we get those little lard tub culls that are always the fattest cow in the pasture but which can't wean a calf of over 350 pounds because they got no udder and that is a real risk with throwing grain to smallish frame cattle. Chester also PROBABLY does not want these girls to carry the finish of show heifers and he probably wants them to make their living on grass at some point in their lives without them falling apart. I agree that 685 is a lite target; but most of us are not growing out 400 pound weaners any more either. That would be a 71% increase in weight, in 150 days which is very good for any cattle post weaning. For a commercial heifer (not a show prospect) 500-650 off of the cow is a good window, 700-800 is a good 12 month target, she hits that spring and early summer grass for 90 days and she should be 800-925 and ready to breed. Chester is probably (if these are poorly managed and NOT just small cattle) 100-175 pounds behind now. To me if he can cut that to 20-60 pounds behind in 5 months he can easily be caught back up by breeding time depending on what kind of genetics he is working with. If Chester could provide us with pics and actual scale weights we probably could provide a more accurate opinion on what his real needs are.</p><p></p><p>Here is Jean's newer heifer paper.....</p><p><a href="http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/as1169w.htm#Target" target="_blank">http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/ ... htm#Target</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm2, post: 137753, member: 2095"] Jean, I am not doubting your ability to raise cattle; but I don't think you have a lot of experience buying lite stockyard heifers and trying to turn them into decent commercial cows. You wouldn't more than double the weight of your 650 lb weaned heifers and turn them into 1350 pound yearlings and Chester better not get so hot with that ration that he turns those little 400 pound heifers into 850 pound 12 month old heifers either. Your trying to get them to 65% of their mature body weight by 15 months old NOT finish them. You more than double the weight of almost any heifer between weaning and puberty and you are really risking her laying fat down where her udder is supposed to be. That is how we get those little lard tub culls that are always the fattest cow in the pasture but which can't wean a calf of over 350 pounds because they got no udder and that is a real risk with throwing grain to smallish frame cattle. Chester also PROBABLY does not want these girls to carry the finish of show heifers and he probably wants them to make their living on grass at some point in their lives without them falling apart. I agree that 685 is a lite target; but most of us are not growing out 400 pound weaners any more either. That would be a 71% increase in weight, in 150 days which is very good for any cattle post weaning. For a commercial heifer (not a show prospect) 500-650 off of the cow is a good window, 700-800 is a good 12 month target, she hits that spring and early summer grass for 90 days and she should be 800-925 and ready to breed. Chester is probably (if these are poorly managed and NOT just small cattle) 100-175 pounds behind now. To me if he can cut that to 20-60 pounds behind in 5 months he can easily be caught back up by breeding time depending on what kind of genetics he is working with. If Chester could provide us with pics and actual scale weights we probably could provide a more accurate opinion on what his real needs are. Here is Jean's newer heifer paper..... [url=http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/as1169w.htm#Target]http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/ ... htm#Target[/url] [/QUOTE]
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