Braford

[cow pollinater]

Anyone have any must use braford AI bulls they'd care to recommend? I'm kicking around replacing hereford with braford then I can keep a little ear without having to use brangus in place of balancer or as a third cross.
I'm looking at RMR Rangers Legacy 6180 specificlly so if anyone has used him i'd like to know your thoughts on him.

 

[bulldurham]

Is he even a stabilized 3/8 5/8 or just a crossbred?

 

[jedstivers]

You can't use crossbred cattle. Your calves will die. Dont you know anything? :bang: :bang: :bang:

 

[cow pollinater]

You can't use crossbred cattle. Your calves will die. Dont you know anything? :bang: :bang: :bang:

Oh they're dying now? The last I heard they were born at 300 pounds and I thought, "shyt crossbreeding is the only way to go!" They'll be ready to wean at a week old!

 

[wacocowboy]

I have never seen a Braford bull that really impressed me. Why not use something like Beefmaster or Simbrah?

 

[cow pollinater]

. Why not use something like Beefmaster or Simbrah?

I want a big dose of hereford. I'm running balancer and hereford bulls now and a lot of my cows already have some ear and I want to keep that without changing course to far. Once I start producing balancer baldies then I can keep that cross going on my first and second calf heifers via AI and run angus bulls as terminal on the mature cows.
It's either switch to braford or make my own southern balancers. Brafords would be faster and easier.

 

[wacocowboy]

Good luck I've known several people who have tried them and the calves just left a lot to be desired.

 

[wacocowboy]

Good luck I've known several people who have tried them and the calves just left a lot to be desired.

 

[cow pollinater]

Thanks for your input, wacocowboy. I'll consider myself warned. :nod:
I'll try it in moderation on a few solid black heifers with no ear and if nothing else it will even things up a little.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Thanks for your input, wacocowboy. I'll consider myself warned. :nod:
I'll try it in moderation on a few solid black heifers with no ear and if nothing else it will even things up a little.

that should make a nice calf...

 

[Big Cheese]

A braford bull is what is used on Angus or Brangus cows to get F1 Tiger stripes isn't it? That's what I've always heard at least and a neighbor on mine has recently the last couple of years started adding braford bulls to his bull herd and that's what I heard he was doing with them. He pulls his bulls so I get to see them a lot...the brafords look pretty good I like them.

 

[Muddy]

F1 tiger stripes is a F1 Hereford x Brahman.

 

[Big Cheese]

Hmm....I wonder why people here say its the way I mentioned earlier. I don't know...a lot of older farmers have their own opinions and don't want to change anything.

 

[Rafter S]

A braford bull is what is used on Angus or Brangus cows to get F1 Tiger stripes isn't it? That's what I've always heard at least and a neighbor on mine has recently the last couple of years started adding braford bulls to his bull herd and that's what I heard he was doing with them. He pulls his bulls so I get to see them a lot...the brafords look pretty good I like them.

Muddy is right. Although other crosses can produce the same brindle appearance, the classic white-face tiger stripe is a Hereford x gray Brahman F1. And not all of those crosses will produce tiger stripes. Some of them will be a mixture of red blending into dark brown or nearly black, which is sometimes referred to as "chocolate" . There are probably other possibilities as well.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Hmm....I wonder why people here say its the way I mentioned earlier. I don't know...a lot of older farmers have their own opinions and don't want to change anything.

You can hear about anything, but money rattling and meat frying..

 

[txcowpoke]

I have a question. I'm looking to raise some replacement heifers out of my brahman cows. Without starting a debate about the quality or legitimacy of black Herefords, if I used this type of bull, would I get black baldy calves out of this cross, or would there be some brindle color to the calves, or both? I currently run red Hereford bulls on these brahman cows, but I didn't want to go all in with black Hereford bulls and not like the results. I don't have any complaints out the tigerstripes, I just like the look of a black baldy cow with a good bit of ear. I've been searching online and haven't had any luck figuring out what I would end up with.

 

[Rafter S]

I have a question. I'm looking to raise some replacement heifers out of my brahman cows. Without starting a debate about the quality or legitimacy of black Herefords, if I used this type of bull, would I get black baldy calves out of this cross, or would there be some brindle color to the calves, or both? I currently run red Hereford bulls on these brahman cows, but I didn't want to go all in with black Hereford bulls and not like the results. I don't have any complaints out the tigerstripes, I just like the look of a black baldy cow with a good bit of ear. I've been searching online and haven't had any luck figuring out what I would end up with.

I haven't heard of anyone using that cross, and I'd also be interested in the results (I'm not going to try it, I'm just curious). I suspect that it would be like looking for Easter eggs (no telling what you might get). If you want a black baldy with some ear you might want to consider crossing Hereford and black Brangus. That will get you there. There is very nearly as much demand for those cows as for the tiger stripes, and you won't take the beating when you sell the steer calves that you do with the traditional Brahman x Hereford cross. Of course I realize that you couldn't use your Brahman cows for this, but it's something to think about.

 

[txcowpoke]

Well, I like the idea you mentioned about the Hereford x Brangus cross, I just don't have many Brangus cows to go with the Hereford bulls. I also considered taking the tigerstripe heifers/cows that I'm keeping and putting a F-1 Angus x Brahman bull on them to keep the 50% Brahman in those calves. I realize the steers wouldn't bring as much, as you mentioned, but I'm trying to look at this long term, and I really want to have a set of black baldy cows that I can ride through and really be proud of. The down side to this approach is that it would take twice as long to get my desired replacement heifer. I'd be raising tigerstripe heifers out of Brahman cows, then raising black baldy heifers out of those tigerstripe cows. Then of course I'd be putting a different type of bull on the black baldy cows to get the growth out of the calves to sell (possibly Charolais). I'd be having to keep three different breeds of cows on separate properties, as well as three different breeds of bulls. It just seems a little excessive to me, when I could possibly take a homozygous black Hereford bull, and still possibly get the same 50% Brahman influence (plus the same hybrid vigor of the tigerstripe cow). Maybe I could just try it on a couple of Brahman cows with a black Hereford bull. I was just hoping to get some confirmation before I bite the bullet and buy a black Hereford bull. But I guess if you're going to experiment, you just have to take a chance every now and then. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. But I do feel like even if the results are not exactly what I'm looking for, being 50% Brahman, there should still be some pretty decent demand for the replacement heifers. Who knows, the may all come out like the chocolates you get with some red Hereford x brahman. I could live with something like that.

 

[BRYANT]

I have a question. I'm looking to raise some replacement heifers out of my brahman cows. Without starting a debate about the quality or legitimacy of black Herefords, if I used this type of bull, would I get black baldy calves out of this cross, or would there be some brindle color to the calves, or both? I currently run red Hereford bulls on these brahman cows, but I didn't want to go all in with black Hereford bulls and not like the results. I don't have any complaints out the tigerstripes, I just like the look of a black baldy cow with a good bit of ear. I've been searching online and haven't had any luck figuring out what I would end up with.

I have crossed black white faced cows with a gray Brahman bull got black mottle face

 

[wacocowboy]

You could try AI so you don't have to invest a ton of money in a bull you don't know if you will the results. If I was you I would take those Tigers and put them with a Char bull and watch the dollars roll in.