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<blockquote data-quote="Bez" data-source="post: 60341" data-attributes="member: 412"><p>I see you got the cows feds! I took a break and did the same.</p><p></p><p> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>Ain't shootin' any messenger, just stating my opinion. Heck I always try to stay polite here - if I wrote the way I talked at some of the meetings I go to I figure I'd be the next person banned from the board.</p><p></p><p>Way I see it we are going to take a step backwards.</p><p></p><p>Be that as it may, stepped off of the phone with a gentleman from BIG-C tonight - yeah, even us eastern b*&^%'s do a little talking with the folks in the west - there has been some research and speculation in the CANFAX arena - it looks like with the dollar the price it is, feed the price it is - there is an expectation that the packers will be buying cows in Canada to fill some empty feedlots. Keep as many cows in Canada as they can. Bigger profit by processing the cattle in Canada. </p><p></p><p>So what we have is a slow movement of fats south, possibly a <u>small</u> increase in price and a potential big pile of those danged packer owned cattle going to the feed lots to provide a steady, low priced supply to the big guys. Good business sense - gotta' hand it to the packers - they have their act together. The R-CALF folks who bought cattle in Canada over the past year will be happy with this. They should make a few bucks as well. And all of that meat will be boxed and sent to the U.S. of A.</p><p></p><p>In other words it may not be enough to help those who are going down anyways.</p><p></p><p>More and more I am liking the BIG-C philosophy.</p><p></p><p>I know we can't build anything overnight, but we did get into this mess overnight. In fact it was a one day affair. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know it took us a few years to dismantle our packing plants - but it was with the unwritten agreement we were an integrated industry - and we willingly sent all of those jobs south as well.</p><p></p><p>I am determined that we will get out of this - even if this place falls - and believe me it is closer than you might think. But we will not get out of this mess if the cattle producers in Canada allow the rebuilding process to get set on the back burner. That is now in serious danger of happening - if I am wrong I will be more than happy to stand up and say I was wrong - and God help me I truly hope I am wrong - but gut instinct tells me I am not.</p><p></p><p>At present I have no faith in the "established" orgs like the ABP, OFA, CCA, OCA and so on keeping the heat up. These folks - my opinion only - as uninformed as it may be - are in many cases personally doing ok and have lost touch with us at the grass roots level. Us peons have lost the ability to have them listen to us.</p><p></p><p>My wife was in danger of being ejected from a convention recently because she took a president to task and would not back down! </p><p></p><p>At five foot one she reminds me of a heeler at times - not afraid / or too stupid to back down. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>We simply cannot continue to operate the Grandpa did. It took <u>Gencor less than 12 months to get up and running in south Ontario</u> and they are now in EXPANSION mode. Just a bunch of dairy farmers - what did they know about the industry? Well, they were smart, proactive and truly performed - good on them! Where are the others? <u>PEI is up and running as well.</u></p><p></p><p>These initiatives started <u>AFTER</u> the border closed. So, I have to respectfully and strongly disagree with your comment below.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any group that has been operating in the let's get things going mode for 12 months and does not have the concrete foundation poured yet is dithering. Time for a management change, or a change in the board of directors.</p><p></p><p>As for environmental issues and regs - trust me - Ontario is one of the toughest - and this plant in Ontario is running full tilt. I would love to hear from someone in PEI that is in the know about their plant.</p><p></p><p>The problem with many esteemed leaders is they love to junket around the world - business class - and do nothing more than talk. On our dime.</p><p></p><p>Performance - NOT - words - counts. I am not seeing a lot of performance from the established cattle representatives - it has been the upstarts that have been performing - despite being publicly ridiculed by the established organizations.</p><p></p><p>I look forward to your reply.</p><p></p><p>Bez</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bez, post: 60341, member: 412"] I see you got the cows feds! I took a break and did the same. :D Ain't shootin' any messenger, just stating my opinion. Heck I always try to stay polite here - if I wrote the way I talked at some of the meetings I go to I figure I'd be the next person banned from the board. Way I see it we are going to take a step backwards. Be that as it may, stepped off of the phone with a gentleman from BIG-C tonight - yeah, even us eastern b*&^%'s do a little talking with the folks in the west - there has been some research and speculation in the CANFAX arena - it looks like with the dollar the price it is, feed the price it is - there is an expectation that the packers will be buying cows in Canada to fill some empty feedlots. Keep as many cows in Canada as they can. Bigger profit by processing the cattle in Canada. So what we have is a slow movement of fats south, possibly a [u]small[/u] increase in price and a potential big pile of those danged packer owned cattle going to the feed lots to provide a steady, low priced supply to the big guys. Good business sense - gotta' hand it to the packers - they have their act together. The R-CALF folks who bought cattle in Canada over the past year will be happy with this. They should make a few bucks as well. And all of that meat will be boxed and sent to the U.S. of A. In other words it may not be enough to help those who are going down anyways. More and more I am liking the BIG-C philosophy. I know we can't build anything overnight, but we did get into this mess overnight. In fact it was a one day affair. Yeah, I know it took us a few years to dismantle our packing plants - but it was with the unwritten agreement we were an integrated industry - and we willingly sent all of those jobs south as well. I am determined that we will get out of this - even if this place falls - and believe me it is closer than you might think. But we will not get out of this mess if the cattle producers in Canada allow the rebuilding process to get set on the back burner. That is now in serious danger of happening - if I am wrong I will be more than happy to stand up and say I was wrong - and God help me I truly hope I am wrong - but gut instinct tells me I am not. At present I have no faith in the "established" orgs like the ABP, OFA, CCA, OCA and so on keeping the heat up. These folks - my opinion only - as uninformed as it may be - are in many cases personally doing ok and have lost touch with us at the grass roots level. Us peons have lost the ability to have them listen to us. My wife was in danger of being ejected from a convention recently because she took a president to task and would not back down! At five foot one she reminds me of a heeler at times - not afraid / or too stupid to back down. :D :D We simply cannot continue to operate the Grandpa did. It took [u]Gencor less than 12 months to get up and running in south Ontario[/u] and they are now in EXPANSION mode. Just a bunch of dairy farmers - what did they know about the industry? Well, they were smart, proactive and truly performed - good on them! Where are the others? [u]PEI is up and running as well.[/u] These initiatives started [u]AFTER[/u] the border closed. So, I have to respectfully and strongly disagree with your comment below. Any group that has been operating in the let's get things going mode for 12 months and does not have the concrete foundation poured yet is dithering. Time for a management change, or a change in the board of directors. As for environmental issues and regs - trust me - Ontario is one of the toughest - and this plant in Ontario is running full tilt. I would love to hear from someone in PEI that is in the know about their plant. The problem with many esteemed leaders is they love to junket around the world - business class - and do nothing more than talk. On our dime. Performance - NOT - words - counts. I am not seeing a lot of performance from the established cattle representatives - it has been the upstarts that have been performing - despite being publicly ridiculed by the established organizations. I look forward to your reply. Bez [/QUOTE]
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