Black Herefords

[CCCowman]

Black herefords have been around awhile. What are some opinions? I've seen some that look pretty dern good.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Black herefords have been around awhile. What are some opinions? I've seen some that look pretty dern good.

Joke not recognized by the AHA.
Why give away hybrid vigor .
Get a herd of Hereford cows and an Angus bull poof a whole herd of black Hereford every calf season.

 

[holm25]

Nothing more than a baldy with a fancy name.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

If you were putting them on a Continental breed, you would see some improvement. Putting them back on herefored or angus cows, you would end up losing more than you would gain.

 

[W.B.]

There is no such as a black Hereford. Doesn’t exist.

 

[Ebenezer]

Would be a good way to buy baldie cows to use as commercial cows bred to another breed.

 

[Muddy]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

 

[holm25]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

 

[Muddy]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

Except the sim bulls don't put white face on every calves. You are most likely get more solid calves than white faced calves.

 

[elkwc]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

I have looked at some top bred black Simmi's and I haven't found that superior growth you and others claim. And neither has the commercial breeders I've talked to who has used Black Simmi bulls. Maybe our environment here is too harsh. Haven't seen any that will out perform our Angus or Hereford/Angus baldies.

 

[etmountianman71]

I love to read these posts from across the US, some are positive and some are negative, provides a good understanding on how people feel.
My family and I have been Black Hereford Breeders for 4 years now and have enjoyed all of the good and bad that comes along with changing from a commercial herd to a registered herd.
We are a small breeder, not one of the fancy farms with hundreds of cattle or thousands of acres (although that would be nice with all the rain we have had-anyone need mud?)
No matter what breed a person chooses to raise the public will find a reason to either agree or disagree with them, someone always has a better answer or a reason not to go along with their decision.
As I see commercial cattlemen and seedstock breeders by our bulls and heifers it has helped me understand more that people are looking for other alternatives than the flooded Angus Market.
Any cattlemen who actually raises cattle knows that genetics, nutrition, and good herd management will produce a productive herd, but we all know that some people will not put that work into their product so they blame the breeds.
We enjoy seeing the Black Hereford Breed grow as well as the ABHA organization. Yes it is being recognized by NCBA, BIF, State Organizations and other Breed Organizations. It is not perfect by no means, still a young breed with a lot of growing to do in many areas.
As the data grows for the breed it will lead to better Genetic testing, herd culling, and education opportunities.
Feel free to contact me if you have questions or would like to visit our farm if you are near East TN.

 

[kentuckyguy]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

Except the sim bulls don't put white face on every calves. You are most likely get more solid calves than white faced calves.

I always thought the white face on a Hereford was a dominant gene that always passed on in F1 calves.

 

[Son of Butch]

I don't see anything wrong with black Hereford, especially if you have red Angus cows or anything red and you want to produce black baldies.....gotta think positive thoughts.

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

So instead of selling 1300 lb fats at 16 months I could be selling 2600 pounders at 16 months?
or do you mean I could be selling 1300 lb fats at 8 months?
OR maybe they have Twins every year?
Weaning weights jump from 560 lbs to 1120 lbs?

Guess I just get confused :???: by claims of one breed being twice as good as another.

 

[W.B.]

I love to read these posts from across the US, some are positive and some are negative, provides a good understanding on how people feel.
My family and I have been Black Hereford Breeders for 4 years now and have enjoyed all of the good and bad that comes along with changing from a commercial herd to a registered herd.
We are a small breeder, not one of the fancy farms with hundreds of cattle or thousands of acres (although that would be nice with all the rain we have had-anyone need mud?)
No matter what breed a person chooses to raise the public will find a reason to either agree or disagree with them, someone always has a better answer or a reason not to go along with their decision.
As I see commercial cattlemen and seedstock breeders by our bulls and heifers it has helped me understand more that people are looking for other alternatives than the flooded Angus Market.
Any cattlemen who actually raises cattle knows that genetics, nutrition, and good herd management will produce a productive herd, but we all know that some people will not put that work into their product so they blame the breeds.
We enjoy seeing the Black Hereford Breed grow as well as the ABHA organization. Yes it is being recognized by NCBA, BIF, State Organizations and other Breed Organizations. It is not perfect by no means, still a young breed with a lot of growing to do in many areas.
As the data grows for the breed it will lead to better Genetic testing, herd culling, and education opportunities.
Feel free to contact me if you have questions or would like to visit our farm if you are near East TN.

Fairly small gene pool to draw from. Do you have any issues with MSUD in your herd?

 

[Bestoutwest]

Would be a good way to buy baldie cows to use as commercial cows bred to another breed.

Nope b/c they're a niche breed, and they'll cost you a ton to get some.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

Would be a good way to buy baldie cows to use as commercial cows bred to another breed.

Nope b/c they're a niche breed, and they'll cost you a ton to get some.

I know he's kidding........but you'd lose the qualities of what you could get in real F1 baldie mammys..

 

[Muddy]

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

Except the sim bulls don't put white face on every calves. You are most likely get more solid calves than white faced calves.

I always thought the white face on a Hereford was a dominant gene that always passed on in F1 calves.

White face gene in Hereford is usually dominant and totally different gene from the white face or blaze face gene in Simmentals. That said I can see the black Hereford being useful for commercial guys with red cattle or red carrier blk Angus cows. I have several red Angus cows, shorthorn cows and a lot of black cows with red gene so I'll expect red baldies. Problem is that I'll get some dockage for red baldy steers. That's why I am looking at homozygous black Hereford bull sometime in future to avoid the red baldy steers.

 

[elkwc]

I’ve seen some good black baldy sims that’d do twice what any black Hereford would.

Except the sim bulls don't put white face on every calves. You are most likely get more solid calves than white faced calves.

I always thought the white face on a Hereford was a dominant gene that always passed on in F1 calves.

The old Herefords did. Some of the current ones don't.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Except the sim bulls don't put white face on every calves. You are most likely get more solid calves than white faced calves.

I always thought the white face on a Hereford was a dominant gene that always passed on in F1 calves.

The old Herefords did. Some of the current ones don't.

Doesn’t happen in all registered Herefords. I have one that will throw a solid black once in a while.
I had to get a geneticist from the AHA to explain it to me. Most Hereford have
two WW or Ww genes for white face, those that have two recessive ww genes can throw solids. Now that’s how I understood it.

 

[elkwc]

I always thought the white face on a Hereford was a dominant gene that always passed on in F1 calves.

The old Herefords did. Some of the current ones don't.

Doesn’t happen in all registered Herefords. I have one that will throw a solid black once in a while.
I had to get a geneticist from the AHA to explain it to me. Most Hereford have
two WW or Ww genes for white face, those that have two recessive ww genes can throw solids. Now that’s how I understood it.
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CB yes it happens in Herefords of modern bloodlines. You didn't see it in the old bloodlines and a few of the current linebred bloodlines with less impurity.