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<blockquote data-quote="DLD" data-source="post: 1415070" data-attributes="member: 19707"><p>There are a very small handful of full blood Chi's in North America, a few more full blood Maine's. It might take some hunting but they are out there. Enough with the Maine's that semen on younger full blood bulls are readily available, probably can be found on the Chi's but I can't swear to it. </p><p>Purebred black Maines, Simmental, Limousine and Gelbvieh have enough generations of consistent breeding to provide heterosis on Angus cows. Pb ChiAngus, Limflex, Balancer plus many multigeneration Maine/Angus and Simmi/Angus also have enough consistency to successfully and predictably cross on breeds outside of their own base breeds. Probably not the distinct of advantages of something like a true F1 Brahman x Hereford, but they certainly can and do work every day out in the country.</p><p></p><p>I give the Angus breed a lot of credit for a lot of things, but to call all other breeds a cesspool and the Angus not is just not accurate. They've got their share of problems beyond breed purity, including several different genetic defects being an issue at this time. I've read many Angus bull sale catalogs over the past 20 years, and most of them read pretty much the same for generations back. 100 or less (many of which are still closely related) very influential sires spread over hundreds of thousands of cows makes for a pretty shallow gene pool - I know there are bound to be some good outcross Angus out there somewhere, but can the average breeder find them, and are they even willing to use them if they do? And whether it's one breeders fault or the whole breeds fault, the fact remains today and has been for years that there are a whole lot of poor quality registered Angus seedstock being sold. It's to the point around here that calling them pb Angus at the sale barns is a disadvantage in some buyers eyes - if the quality's not there, it deteriorates the reputation pretty quickly. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying there aren't lots and lots of good Angus cattle out there, but I am saying that if Angus breeders aren't willing to see their issues and try to correct them, the issues will continue to grow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DLD, post: 1415070, member: 19707"] There are a very small handful of full blood Chi's in North America, a few more full blood Maine's. It might take some hunting but they are out there. Enough with the Maine's that semen on younger full blood bulls are readily available, probably can be found on the Chi's but I can't swear to it. Purebred black Maines, Simmental, Limousine and Gelbvieh have enough generations of consistent breeding to provide heterosis on Angus cows. Pb ChiAngus, Limflex, Balancer plus many multigeneration Maine/Angus and Simmi/Angus also have enough consistency to successfully and predictably cross on breeds outside of their own base breeds. Probably not the distinct of advantages of something like a true F1 Brahman x Hereford, but they certainly can and do work every day out in the country. I give the Angus breed a lot of credit for a lot of things, but to call all other breeds a cesspool and the Angus not is just not accurate. They've got their share of problems beyond breed purity, including several different genetic defects being an issue at this time. I've read many Angus bull sale catalogs over the past 20 years, and most of them read pretty much the same for generations back. 100 or less (many of which are still closely related) very influential sires spread over hundreds of thousands of cows makes for a pretty shallow gene pool - I know there are bound to be some good outcross Angus out there somewhere, but can the average breeder find them, and are they even willing to use them if they do? And whether it's one breeders fault or the whole breeds fault, the fact remains today and has been for years that there are a whole lot of poor quality registered Angus seedstock being sold. It's to the point around here that calling them pb Angus at the sale barns is a disadvantage in some buyers eyes - if the quality's not there, it deteriorates the reputation pretty quickly. I'm not saying there aren't lots and lots of good Angus cattle out there, but I am saying that if Angus breeders aren't willing to see their issues and try to correct them, the issues will continue to grow. [/QUOTE]
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