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<blockquote data-quote="504RP" data-source="post: 1843853" data-attributes="member: 40335"><p>I know of a Bermuda grass producer who has been in business for 40 years plus. Sell's to mostly horse people. Just guessing he grows 1 maybe 200 acres. His fields are planted in Guymon Bermuda grass.</p><p></p><p>I know of another Bermuda grass producer located within 30 miles of this one. That has Three different varieties that are hybrids, one is 0zark and I can't remember the other two types. This guy grows about 1 or 200 acres."</p><p></p><p>Both of these guys produce about as good of Bermuda grass that you will find. The older guy said the reason he chose Guymon Bermuda was because a farmer he knew told him he wanted to show him something. He set out 4 or 5 different small squares all different varieties one being Guymon to his cattle. The majority of the Cattle ended up eating the bale of Guymon before they went to the other varieties of square bales that was left. Said the showing him that said they would go to the bale of Guymon over the other types of hay every time.</p><p></p><p>Guymon is a cold tolerant variety of Bermuda grass. But they don't sell it anymore. They have replaced it with Wrangler which the cheapest 50 lb bags of seed that I have found so far cost $ 356 a bag before tax. Recommend seed rate per acre is like 11 pounds per acre.</p><p></p><p>The producer of the Guymon Bermuda grass told me he lost a 40 acre field of Guymon last winter when the temperature dropped to negative 6 below zero. I don't know why he only lost the 40 acres when 160 acres survived if it was the temperature that killed it. And he isn't for sure what happens yet.</p><p></p><p>I think maybe the reason they don't sell Guymon Bermuda grass seed any more might be because of climate change. The Wrangler is supposed to be cold tolerant.</p><p></p><p>I plan on trying to seed 60 acres of Wrangler this Spring. One field I am going to plant had a lot of native Bermuda to begin with. Over the last 15 years I would put cows on it to make it easier to feed them during the winter. Never gave much thought about messing up the field in the long run. But some of the cows I would put on that field had been on my Tall fescue mixed grass pastures.</p><p></p><p>So when I brought them in for the winter and put them on my semi Bermuda grass 20 acre field. The cows seeded that field with Tall Fescue messing up my Bermuda grass.</p><p></p><p>So if you are going to spend as much as you are going to have to in order to get a pure Bermuda grass field. You don't want to do like I did and graze cattle on it. EVER ! Don't even turn 1 head lose on it until you have dry lotted it for a few weeks unless you want to reseed your Bermuda grass with what ever it has been eating.</p><p></p><p>You mentioned Bahia grass. I can't really say much about it from what little experience I have had with it. Which was trying to kill what little of it that I had got started in my pasture probably from a cow that I bought at the sale barn. But since I have killed out that little bit and learned how much next to impossible it is to kill out. I don't want it no matter how nutritious it is for cattle. From what nutritional value it has you lose in the ton's per acre it makes and is about like cutting fiberglass straw versus cutting grass.</p><p></p><p>For anyone that likes it more power to you. I guess if my entire place comes up seeded with it. I would have to learn to like it because I don't think it would be very easy to get rid of on a large scale.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="504RP, post: 1843853, member: 40335"] I know of a Bermuda grass producer who has been in business for 40 years plus. Sell's to mostly horse people. Just guessing he grows 1 maybe 200 acres. His fields are planted in Guymon Bermuda grass. I know of another Bermuda grass producer located within 30 miles of this one. That has Three different varieties that are hybrids, one is 0zark and I can't remember the other two types. This guy grows about 1 or 200 acres.” Both of these guys produce about as good of Bermuda grass that you will find. The older guy said the reason he chose Guymon Bermuda was because a farmer he knew told him he wanted to show him something. He set out 4 or 5 different small squares all different varieties one being Guymon to his cattle. The majority of the Cattle ended up eating the bale of Guymon before they went to the other varieties of square bales that was left. Said the showing him that said they would go to the bale of Guymon over the other types of hay every time. Guymon is a cold tolerant variety of Bermuda grass. But they don’t sell it anymore. They have replaced it with Wrangler which the cheapest 50 lb bags of seed that I have found so far cost $ 356 a bag before tax. Recommend seed rate per acre is like 11 pounds per acre. The producer of the Guymon Bermuda grass told me he lost a 40 acre field of Guymon last winter when the temperature dropped to negative 6 below zero. I don’t know why he only lost the 40 acres when 160 acres survived if it was the temperature that killed it. And he isn’t for sure what happens yet. I think maybe the reason they don’t sell Guymon Bermuda grass seed any more might be because of climate change. The Wrangler is supposed to be cold tolerant. I plan on trying to seed 60 acres of Wrangler this Spring. One field I am going to plant had a lot of native Bermuda to begin with. Over the last 15 years I would put cows on it to make it easier to feed them during the winter. Never gave much thought about messing up the field in the long run. But some of the cows I would put on that field had been on my Tall fescue mixed grass pastures. So when I brought them in for the winter and put them on my semi Bermuda grass 20 acre field. The cows seeded that field with Tall Fescue messing up my Bermuda grass. So if you are going to spend as much as you are going to have to in order to get a pure Bermuda grass field. You don’t want to do like I did and graze cattle on it. EVER ! Don’t even turn 1 head lose on it until you have dry lotted it for a few weeks unless you want to reseed your Bermuda grass with what ever it has been eating. You mentioned Bahia grass. I can’t really say much about it from what little experience I have had with it. Which was trying to kill what little of it that I had got started in my pasture probably from a cow that I bought at the sale barn. But since I have killed out that little bit and learned how much next to impossible it is to kill out. I don’t want it no matter how nutritious it is for cattle. From what nutritional value it has you lose in the ton’s per acre it makes and is about like cutting fiberglass straw versus cutting grass. For anyone that likes it more power to you. I guess if my entire place comes up seeded with it. I would have to learn to like it because I don’t think it would be very easy to get rid of on a large scale. [/QUOTE]
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