Beef on dairy

blackladies

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Anyone think that beef on dairy will bring down the price of cattle as a whole? The number of US cattle are at multi decade low numbers. Just feels like I’m playing hot potato right now. I guess no one can predict the market.
 
I don’t think it will have any effect. IF we ever get back to normal cattle numbers the packers will dictate the price for dairy X beef.
Right now they’re killing anything that moo’s. Cattle that have been “to big to fit the box” are now what the packers are paying a premium for right now because it’s more pounds on each hook.
 
I don't think it will have any effect. IF we ever get back to normal cattle numbers the packers will dictate the price for dairy X beef.
Right now they're killing anything that moo's. Cattle that have been "to big to fit the box" are now what the packers are paying a premium for right now because it's more pounds on each hook.
True. I have a neighbor with a hoop style feeding floor, currently half full of steers and half full of heifers. He said the heifers grow good but top out around 1300. He’s trying to get the steers as big as possible, preferably over 1600. More money in the big ones.
 
Sexed semen was the game changer for dairy beef production and it has been in use for quite awhile. Those dairy steers were always a big player in beef production.

The beef cross steers will not effect the tonnage much and will go on the grid and be graded like any other cattle.
 
Beef on dairy has actually increased the costs of replacement dairy heifers now. Used to be that people sold their dairy heifers for extra income and because they were not trying to expand. Usually heifers out of the lower producing cows. Then the sexed semen thing meant that there were dairy heifers coming out the wahzoo.. replacement heifer prices dropped like a rock. Many dairies often used an angus or hereford bull on heifers and as a clean up bull when they wanted to breed AI, then kick them all out to pasture.... There were always some of the beef on dairy. And those calves got DISCOUNTED at the sales... the crosses grew different than the straight beef or the straight dairy... Then some groups began pushing the beef on dairy and some places would "contract" with farmers to use certain breeds of bulls so the calves were more "uniform".... like Limi on jerseys...
Now it has gotten to where the beef on dairy.... mostly BLACK on dairy, gives you a calf that will meet the qualifications of the "black"... and will grow bigger than straight beef animals.. more size means more lbs meat potential.... plus dairy steers... mostly holstein... have always graded good as they tend to marble good... so a good one for steak and such... so add the increase in carcass weight from beef added in... and now they are all the rage. They also will "finish" a little faster than a straight dairy steer, so that is a plus.

I remember when a black hol x beef calf would bring less than a straight hol bull calf... NOW, they top the baby calf sales many places. The 1/2 females make decent "beef cows" although some will make too much milk. Some also have a hard time "keeping weight on" as the dairy makes them milk the fat off their back as we say. But they often will raise 2 calves and do a very good job if you can get one grafted on them.....They require more "feed" to keep them in good shape. The 1/4 females make very good beef cows.. extra milk but not too much... keep their weight better...

Right now, most anything that walks and has a calf will bring terribly high prices. I do not see many dairies going back to straight dairy calves.

The jersey x angus/black calves are finer boned... make great beef for the homeowner... but many of them have dispositions that stink.... not all, but many of them...
 
Agree with you on the 1/4 dairy cows. I have three in my herd that produce very nice calves when bred to my limo bull. Dispositions are good on these. You cannot tell their calves from any other all beef units at weaning age. The limo pus some meat into their rear ends.
Running these half bloods up to make cows might be the answer to the replacement problem that the industry is currently having.
 
I used to raise dairy calves, started in the early 90’s, At that point I was as just out of school and trying to bring in some extra money with a group of calves. A few years later I tried to get a little more involved in it. Even then there were no dairies in this county, and maybe 1 in an adjoining county. I had to go at least 2 counties and usually 3-4 counties away 50-100 miles each way to areas where there were dairies.
The first group I got I went 200 miles to get. Can’t remember but I think I had to pay $150 for Holstein bulls.
I eventually got in with a couple good and closer outfits about 50 miles north east of here.
At that time there were several small family owned dairies concentrated in certain regions.
One dairy I just got bull calves as they kept their heifers. The other one I had an opportunity to get both heifers and bulls, but I was not knowledgeable about the dairy industry and thought the heifers would be worth less so I passed in them at first. Then a year or so later the other d learned my mistake and the people getting there heifers had stopped so I started getting them too. I had a good thing going as before long the dairy was wanting to buy the heifers back at about breeding age. So most of them went back to the dairy. If they didn’t need them then I would send a load of heifers to a dairy auction in western KY.
At that time I was getting 99% straight Holstein calves. One dairy ran Holstein bulls and the other had a closed herd of registered Holsteins and AI bred,
The one dairy would sometimes buy cows or heifers from other places and oftentimes they would be bred to Angus or Hereford bulls, sometimes Brown Swiss,
I kept back several of the Angus and Hereford cross heifers for my herd.
Then I was using nurse cows and I used a couple Angus x Holstein cows to raise raise calves on. One out of a red Angus was almost like a solid black Holstein maybe a slight more meat on her, the other one was like an 80’s Angus, big framed fairly thick massive cow with no flight zone at all and would walk right over the top of a person. Both cows had educated feet they could land a well placed kick on me or calf at any point.
I also kept a couple Hereford x Holstein heifers for cows. Never tried them for nurse cows but they were great cows heavy milking and bred to Angus bulls they’d have some real nice black 3/4 beef calves that would sell along with any straight beef calves.
A little later I transitioned more to Jersey nurse cows, I soon went to a Hereford bull on them because the Angus calves would be a brown kinda diluted color and finer boned.
The Hereford would throw a few brindle calves but they had more volume.
I kept several of those Hereford x Jersey cows and bred them back to Angus bulls and they raised good calves too.
One my dairy friends that I got calves from told me a few years ago that about the time I started getting calves from him that there was over 200 dairies in that county, and at the time he told me they were down to 12, and they may not be any there now,
Used to be the stockyards there would have 250-300 baby calves from n a given sale day.
There’s very few dairies left now in any of the areas that once were prominent dairy regions in the state. Hardly ever see a dairy or dairy cross baby calf sold at any stockyards around.this area anymore.
 
Back in the late 70s into the 80s, I would get day old half beef bull caves very reasonable from dairies. I used straight goat milk to get them started and then on to replacer cut with goat milk. Converted to steers and once weaned, they were on my pasture till I put them in with another ranchers herd to go to his leased allotment that was above my place. I did frequent checks on all the cattle in trade for my share of the lease. It was a profitable situation. I sold them in the fall, so no winter feeding other than the goats.

Back then, the more beefy looking ones, such as Angus - Guernsey or Jersey mix, brought the highest per pound but weighed less than the Holstein - Hereford mix that brought a lower per pound price. Price per head received at sale time came out about the same.

I tried to avoid the angus - jersey mix as they tended to be mean and difficult at fall roundup time. Back then, the 1-3 day old price was free to $35. The free ones were usually weak requiring more work and medication, so my choice was the $35 ones.
 
Back in 1980, selling in Oct. brought $ .70 a lb, so a 750 lb steer brought $525. I figured all involved (original cost, goat milk, replacer, medication, land mortgage, etc) I had $225 per head in them, so I made at least $300 per head. Forty head penciled out to $12,000, but a lot of work especially since I took on a range fencing contract with the FS. I made good money that year, but I think it took two years off my life.
 
Several auctioneers at beef production sales this past spring addressed the OPs question alluding to a shortage of dairy heifers that will limit the amount of growth in beef on dairy steers as dairy operations attempt to rebuild their milking dairy herds. Obviously, the auctioneers are marketers -- but I haven't seen or read anything that would refute that general idea in the short term.
 
I used to raise dairy calves, started in the early 90's, At that point I was as just out of school and trying to bring in some extra money with a group of calves. A few years later I tried to get a little more involved in it. Even then there were no dairies in this county, and maybe 1 in an adjoining county. I had to go at least 2 counties and usually 3-4 counties away 50-100 miles each way to areas where there were dairies.
The first group I got I went 200 miles to get. Can't remember but I think I had to pay $150 for Holstein bulls.
I eventually got in with a couple good and closer outfits about 50 miles north east of here.
At that time there were several small family owned dairies concentrated in certain regions.
One dairy I just got bull calves as they kept their heifers. The other one I had an opportunity to get both heifers and bulls, but I was not knowledgeable about the dairy industry and thought the heifers would be worth less so I passed in them at first. Then a year or so later the other d learned my mistake and the people getting there heifers had stopped so I started getting them too. I had a good thing going as before long the dairy was wanting to buy the heifers back at about breeding age. So most of them went back to the dairy. If they didn't need them then I would send a load of heifers to a dairy auction in western KY.
At that time I was getting 99% straight Holstein calves. One dairy ran Holstein bulls and the other had a closed herd of registered Holsteins and AI bred,
The one dairy would sometimes buy cows or heifers from other places and oftentimes they would be bred to Angus or Hereford bulls, sometimes Brown Swiss,
I kept back several of the Angus and Hereford cross heifers for my herd.
Then I was using nurse cows and I used a couple Angus x Holstein cows to raise raise calves on. One out of a red Angus was almost like a solid black Holstein maybe a slight more meat on her, the other one was like an 80's Angus, big framed fairly thick massive cow with no flight zone at all and would walk right over the top of a person. Both cows had educated feet they could land a well placed kick on me or calf at any point.
I also kept a couple Hereford x Holstein heifers for cows. Never tried them for nurse cows but they were great cows heavy milking and bred to Angus bulls they'd have some real nice black 3/4 beef calves that would sell along with any straight beef calves.
A little later I transitioned more to Jersey nurse cows, I soon went to a Hereford bull on them because the Angus calves would be a brown kinda diluted color and finer boned.
The Hereford would throw a few brindle calves but they had more volume.
I kept several of those Hereford x Jersey cows and bred them back to Angus bulls and they raised good calves too.
One my dairy friends that I got calves from told me a few years ago that about the time I started getting calves from him that there was over 200 dairies in that county, and at the time he told me they were down to 12, and they may not be any there now,
Used to be the stockyards there would have 250-300 baby calves from n a given sale day.
There's very few dairies left now in any of the areas that once were prominent dairy regions in the state. Hardly ever see a dairy or dairy cross baby calf sold at any stockyards around.this area anymore.
Fewer dairies local but larger ones nationwide? Hear of the ones that milk thousands now instead of the local family operations. You have a dairy that milks 10,000 animals breeds their top 25% milkers back with sexed semen for replacements then the other 75% to beef.
 
Fewer dairies local but larger ones nationwide? Hear of the ones that milk thousands now instead of the local family operations. You have a dairy that milks 10,000 animals breeds their top 25% milkers back with sexed semen for replacements then the other 75% to beef.
Yes, I would think that the ones left milking are very large.
I think it was getting to the point that sone of the small ones had to quit because of the viability of getting a milk truck to run. There were so few on the route that it costs much more per individual dairy.
The ones I dealt with milked 80-100 cows
The last one in our county milked 20 if I remember correctly.
We have a Kroger milk plant here in the county, but no real local milk. The trucks I see are are mostly from Indiana. They may pick up milk from somewhere in KY I just don’t know.
 
Then I was using nurse cows and I used a couple Angus x Holstein cows to raise raise calves on. One out of a red Angus was almost like a solid black Holstein maybe a slight more meat on her, the other one was like an 80's Angus, big framed fairly thick massive cow with no flight zone at all and would walk right over the top of a person. Both cows had educated feet they could land a well placed kick on me or calf at any point.
I also kept a couple Hereford x Holstein heifers for cows. Never tried them for nurse cows but they were great cows heavy milking and bred to Angus bulls they'd have some real nice black 3/4 beef calves that would sell along with any straight beef calves.
A little later I transitioned more to Jersey nurse cows, I soon went to a Hereford bull on them because the Angus calves would be a brown kinda diluted color and finer boned.
We have ended up with 5 nurse cows. Gail, the Jeresy that started it all, the Milking Shorthorn, a Jersey-Brown Swiss cross and a Jersey Guernsey cross, and one that is 1/2 Hereford and 1/2 red Holstein or Guernsey ( the man we got her from tells it different ways from time to time) Gail and the Milking Shorthorn raised anywhere from 3-4 the first year we got them. They will let anything nurse. The lady we are letting keep the 2 half Jerseys, raises at least 4 off of them, but she pulls the the calf that is born and raises it and several more by milking them and giving them bottles. She feeds the heck out of those cows, too. Our vet down there keeps Gail and the MS, but she lets them raise calves. My deal, is I breed them all to a polled Grey Brahma, sexed semen for female, and both ladies give those heifers to me at weaning. The rest of the time, they treat the cows as their own. That half Hereford had a Gyr calf the 1st time, and we let Scott's brother come get her because he had a Brangus orphan. That was the only 2 she raised.

Last year, the 2 heifers from Gail and the MS, and the 2 from the half-jeresys were identical as far as size and weight at the same ages. I guess the way Dawn raises them on a bottle with their mother's milks works just as well as letting them nurse their mommas. The Gyr calf weaned not quite as tall as the others ( I attribute that to the Gyr sire vs Brahma on the others) but had a little more muscle at the same weight. I figure it was due to being 1/4 Hereford.

IF I were to be fooling with nurse cows myself, I think I would prefer one like her, 1/2 beef 1/2 dairy. She would have plenty of milk for her calf and grafting another orphan, but you wouldn't have to worry as much about her making too much milk. Especially on just grass and hay. Where as, the straight dairy ones, you just about have to put another one or two on them. Or milk them, too.

That being said, Gail, like @MurraysMutts ' Bessie and I suspect @Ky hills ' Maybelle, will not ever be sold.
 

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