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<blockquote data-quote="SPH" data-source="post: 1626034" data-attributes="member: 20580"><p>I probably should clarify my comments some. I am not one to get into deep breed purity arguments because they just never go over well and you are never going to change the mind of someone who thinks there are major problems with breed purity and breeder integrity in a breed so there is no point going back and forth in a discussion that no one will ever win. I have seen things posted by people that they say they have heard of or know of commercial breeders that have had solid black calves sired by a supposedly purebred Hereford bull and out of a black cow. I personally have never seen nor heard of this but I also am not one to call someone a liar either when I have no firsthand knowledge of said stories. We've sold registered Polled Hereford bulls for many years to mostly commercial guys breeding to black cows and many years ago we even had some of our own crossbred cows on the farm that we'd breed to our own Hereford bulls and never have we come across a solid black calf sired by a Hereford bull. In fact some of the solid black cows we used to have would sometimes have a calf that looked exactly like a Hereford. Some of those cows we knew had a touch of another breed in them like shorthorn or simmental so it wasn't a straight F1 baldy mating with a purebred Angus cow and a purebred Hereford bull. When dealing with crossbred or unregistered black cows you just never know what mix of breeds could be in the genepool that could throw some odd color patterns if you don't know for certain the history behind both animal's ancestry. We have visited several of our bull customers over the years too and seen nothing but what we would expect to see which are some good black baldy calves with predominately white faces.</p><p></p><p>I guess I was going more down the line of when someone says they are using a Hereford bull and are getting strange color patterns the first thing that comes to mind is if that bull is a registered purebred or not and where did they come from. Was this some sale barn bull you know little about or did they buy him from a reputable breeder that has extensive history and data collection practices in their operation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SPH, post: 1626034, member: 20580"] I probably should clarify my comments some. I am not one to get into deep breed purity arguments because they just never go over well and you are never going to change the mind of someone who thinks there are major problems with breed purity and breeder integrity in a breed so there is no point going back and forth in a discussion that no one will ever win. I have seen things posted by people that they say they have heard of or know of commercial breeders that have had solid black calves sired by a supposedly purebred Hereford bull and out of a black cow. I personally have never seen nor heard of this but I also am not one to call someone a liar either when I have no firsthand knowledge of said stories. We've sold registered Polled Hereford bulls for many years to mostly commercial guys breeding to black cows and many years ago we even had some of our own crossbred cows on the farm that we'd breed to our own Hereford bulls and never have we come across a solid black calf sired by a Hereford bull. In fact some of the solid black cows we used to have would sometimes have a calf that looked exactly like a Hereford. Some of those cows we knew had a touch of another breed in them like shorthorn or simmental so it wasn't a straight F1 baldy mating with a purebred Angus cow and a purebred Hereford bull. When dealing with crossbred or unregistered black cows you just never know what mix of breeds could be in the genepool that could throw some odd color patterns if you don't know for certain the history behind both animal's ancestry. We have visited several of our bull customers over the years too and seen nothing but what we would expect to see which are some good black baldy calves with predominately white faces. I guess I was going more down the line of when someone says they are using a Hereford bull and are getting strange color patterns the first thing that comes to mind is if that bull is a registered purebred or not and where did they come from. Was this some sale barn bull you know little about or did they buy him from a reputable breeder that has extensive history and data collection practices in their operation. [/QUOTE]
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