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<blockquote data-quote="Sir Loin" data-source="post: 868286" data-attributes="member: 5601"><p>At the sale barn.</p><p></p><p>This is a spin off of:</p><p>I was sold a cow with Johne's, what do I do?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where ALACOWMAN said:</p><p></p><p></p><p>That is true, but there is such a thing as an educated guess that could lead an experienced cattleman to believe the chance of Johne's exists.</p><p></p><p>The last one I seen at the auction barn and bid on, was about a 5 YO cow with a 300 lb calf at her side.</p><p>I put the probability of Johne's at about 80% plus.</p><p></p><p>She was squirting brown water. She was skinny for our location and time of year and walked with an arched back. It was obvious what ever she had, she has had for some time. The calf was in fairly good condition and the cow was attentive to him and appeared to be a good mamma.</p><p>My assumption was, IF this cow could have been saved from slaughter, the owner would have saved her, but could not. And as he was trying to sell her as a pair he felt she was a good breeder.</p><p>I truly believed the owner did not know why this cow was in this condition any more then I did, except I have had experience and I know about Johne's. I did not and do not believe he was trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. IMO, this was just one of many cases of inexperience at the auction barn.</p><p></p><p>When the pair hit the ring, experience took over.</p><p>Here is how I bid the pair.</p><p>I wanted the calf, but not the cow, but would take the cow to get the calf. I would gamble on the 20% that it was not Johne's.</p><p>I put the value of the calf at $300 and the cow at $200 because of the 80% chance of Johne's.</p><p></p><p>I won the bid at $450, but the owner rejected it. Had the owner not been there to reject the bid, I would have owned the pair for $450.</p><p>The cow was removed from the ring and put in the weigh pen and the calf was re-bid alone. He sold for $345. My last bid was $300.</p><p>The cow was later brought back into the ring as a weigh cow (925 lbs ) and sold for .47 per lb. ($434. ) </p><p>Owner got a total of $779. For both.</p><p>Both prices were to rich for my blood with an 80% gamble I would be dealing with Johne;s.</p><p></p><p>What was I going to do with the pair had I bought the pair for $450?</p><p>I would have taken the calf home and run the cow right back through the ring as a weigh cow.</p><p></p><p>Hope that helps you'll better understand the auction process.</p><p></p><p></p><p>SL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sir Loin, post: 868286, member: 5601"] At the sale barn. This is a spin off of: I was sold a cow with Johne's, what do I do? Where ALACOWMAN said: That is true, but there is such a thing as an educated guess that could lead an experienced cattleman to believe the chance of Johne’s exists. The last one I seen at the auction barn and bid on, was about a 5 YO cow with a 300 lb calf at her side. I put the probability of Johne’s at about 80% plus. She was squirting brown water. She was skinny for our location and time of year and walked with an arched back. It was obvious what ever she had, she has had for some time. The calf was in fairly good condition and the cow was attentive to him and appeared to be a good mamma. My assumption was, IF this cow could have been saved from slaughter, the owner would have saved her, but could not. And as he was trying to sell her as a pair he felt she was a good breeder. I truly believed the owner did not know why this cow was in this condition any more then I did, except I have had experience and I know about Johne’s. I did not and do not believe he was trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. IMO, this was just one of many cases of inexperience at the auction barn. When the pair hit the ring, experience took over. Here is how I bid the pair. I wanted the calf, but not the cow, but would take the cow to get the calf. I would gamble on the 20% that it was not Johne’s. I put the value of the calf at $300 and the cow at $200 because of the 80% chance of Johne’s. I won the bid at $450, but the owner rejected it. Had the owner not been there to reject the bid, I would have owned the pair for $450. The cow was removed from the ring and put in the weigh pen and the calf was re-bid alone. He sold for $345. My last bid was $300. The cow was later brought back into the ring as a weigh cow (925 lbs ) and sold for .47 per lb. ($434. ) Owner got a total of $779. For both. Both prices were to rich for my blood with an 80% gamble I would be dealing with Johne;s. What was I going to do with the pair had I bought the pair for $450? I would have taken the calf home and run the cow right back through the ring as a weigh cow. Hope that helps you’ll better understand the auction process. SL [/QUOTE]
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