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<blockquote data-quote="randiliana" data-source="post: 1233113" data-attributes="member: 2308"><p>So here is a question for all you purebred guys. When you pull a calf when, what do you report as assisted, or what does the breed registry require?</p><p></p><p>So, DH had a conversation with a local breeder about when they have to report a calf as assisted. Now, I don't know if this is a breed requirement, or just their personal opinion, but what he said was they only reported calves where the assist was done with a mechanical calf puller.</p><p></p><p>Now, to me this is wrong, and very misleading. In our commercial herd, anything that we have to help the cow with is marked down as some sort of assistance. Might be just as a malpresentation, Convenience Assist or right up to a Hard pull (puller required) or C-section. And I have wondered a lot of times at some of the bull sale catalogues where there are bulls out of first calvers, with fairly large BW, but never even 1 assist.</p><p></p><p>The thing is I have read numerous articles on dystocia and what they all seem to say, is that if 2 grown men cannot pull a calf (without the puller) then it is too big(discussion for another thread, I don't necessarily believe this). But, 2 grown men can put a lot of pulling power into pulling a calf! Heck, even one man can. I know I don't have the pulling ability of DH! And really, regardless of whether it takes one person, two people, ten or the use of a calf puller to get the calf out, she required assistance and it should be reported as such! Every calving book I own has at least 4 choice in the CE column, Unassisted, Easy, Hard and Surgery.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="randiliana, post: 1233113, member: 2308"] So here is a question for all you purebred guys. When you pull a calf when, what do you report as assisted, or what does the breed registry require? So, DH had a conversation with a local breeder about when they have to report a calf as assisted. Now, I don't know if this is a breed requirement, or just their personal opinion, but what he said was they only reported calves where the assist was done with a mechanical calf puller. Now, to me this is wrong, and very misleading. In our commercial herd, anything that we have to help the cow with is marked down as some sort of assistance. Might be just as a malpresentation, Convenience Assist or right up to a Hard pull (puller required) or C-section. And I have wondered a lot of times at some of the bull sale catalogues where there are bulls out of first calvers, with fairly large BW, but never even 1 assist. The thing is I have read numerous articles on dystocia and what they all seem to say, is that if 2 grown men cannot pull a calf (without the puller) then it is too big(discussion for another thread, I don't necessarily believe this). But, 2 grown men can put a lot of pulling power into pulling a calf! Heck, even one man can. I know I don't have the pulling ability of DH! And really, regardless of whether it takes one person, two people, ten or the use of a calf puller to get the calf out, she required assistance and it should be reported as such! Every calving book I own has at least 4 choice in the CE column, Unassisted, Easy, Hard and Surgery. [/QUOTE]
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