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Dana Kopp

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So what do you all think of this announcement? Do you think there will be a Durham Black soon?

Breeding & Selection
Durham Red -- First All-British Composite Debuts
The American Shorthorn Association (ASA) will become
the first breed association to record a 100% British
composite -- the Durham Red.
With the first to be recorded this fall, the Durham
Red animal will be defined as a combination of
Shorthorn and Red Angus genetics ranging from 1/4 to
3/4 Shorthorn blood. Both sire and dam must be
registered with their respective breed associations
and EPDs of both breeds will be incorporated into a
multi-breed analysis for calculation of Durham Red
EPDs.
ASA says the Shorthorn influence will contribute a
highly maternal, docile female that will provide
feedlot progeny with more efficient gains and greater
marketing flexibility. Meanwhile, the Red Angus
component contributes lower birth weights, greater
fleshing ability and allows Shorthorn breeders to
incorporate the array of EPDs offered by the Red Angus
Association of America. The Angus influence also will
open avenues to Angus-based feeder calf programs, grid
marketing and Angus-based beef product lines, ASA
says.
-- American Shorthorn Association release
 
Don;t see why not. The Shorthorn associaiton has gotten so many other breeds mixed into their cattle they may just as well throw one more in the pot.

dun
 
Dana Kopp":1parw4r9 said:
the Durham
Red animal will be defined as a combination of
Shorthorn and Red Angus genetics ranging from 1/4 to
3/4 Shorthorn blood.
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Great, now the red angus can have a TH problem just like the shorthorn. :mad:

I hate this idea, The red angus has more than enough to contribute the the beef industry with carcass and maternal traits.

The shorties add "hair" for the steer jocks. The shorthorn breed is falling apart, thanks in part to the steer jocks and the win at all cost mateings. The "freaky" fronts and the calves that are too straight to move will only bring down the red angus breed. The majority of the shorthorns are no more than hairy little yard ornaments.

Yes, I confess, I crossed a handful to a couple roan shorthorn bulls. But that is as far as it will go for several generations.
And, yes, I plan to breed up some Red Angus in the next few years.

Hope you Red Angus guys have a strong enough association to handle the problems the shorthorns will bring to your breed. Good luck to you all.
 
It appears to me that the ASA and steer jocks has screwed up the shorthorn breed so much that they are now trying to capitalize on the good characateristics of the Red Angus breed. The Red Angus, as certherfbeef has said have good maternal and carcass traits, which the shorties have ruined for themselves. We definitely don't need the Red Angus to have the TH problem. Also the Red Angus don't have to look like powder puff, yard ornaments and loose their carcass traits.
I agree with cert that the Red Angus Assn. will be strong enough to handle the problems that can and probaly will be created by the shorties. Maybe with more real cattle breeders" geting on the Red Angus and breeding something more than what the steer jocks want, that the breed won't be ruined as for real beef cattle. I know of more and more breeders of Blk Angus and Hereford breeders that are now breeding some Red Angus and they could help the breed considerably, from being ruined.
 
Opening the registry to appendix registration saved the Shorthorn breed with Mane influence cattle. I would bet today they wish they hadn't done that. I've done things myself that sure seemed right at the time that later made me look pretty stupid.
 
:( I,m glad my grandpa and dad are not around to see this.They bred registered Shorthorn from aprox 1905-1966?..

Angus saves the day once again.
 
Vicky the vet":3awvt4rs said:
Tibial Hemimelia, a genetic condition found in a few breeds, including Angus...
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It's not known to be in US Angus cattle, Vicky. The American Angus Association monitors the following known genetic defects in registered Angus cattle.

Class I defects include dwarfism, osteopetrosis (marble bone disease), double muscling and syndactyly (mule foot). These defects are lethal or seriously disabling, or they seriously affect reproductive performance.

The only Class II defect being monitored is Heterochromia irides (white eye).

I'd be interested in anything you've got that shows it's in Canadian Angus cattle.

http://www.angus.org/pubs/defects.html
 
la4angus":24jgix9y said:
It appears to me that the ASA and steer jocks has screwed up the shorthorn breed so much that they are now trying to capitalize on the good characateristics of the Red Angus breed. The Red Angus, as certherfbeef has said have good maternal and carcass traits, which the shorties have ruined for themselves. We definitely don't need the Red Angus to have the TH problem. Also the Red Angus don't have to look like powder puff, yard ornaments and loose their carcass traits.
I agree with cert that the Red Angus Assn. will be strong enough to handle the problems that can and probaly will be created by the shorties. Maybe with more real cattle breeders" geting on the Red Angus and breeding something more than what the steer jocks want, that the breed won't be ruined as for real beef cattle. I know of more and more breeders of Blk Angus and Hereford breeders that are now breeding some Red Angus and they could help the breed considerably, from being ruined.
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I won't discourage anyone from using a red angus bull on their cattle as that is my business...I will say that I don't need a front pasture of puffy fluffy cattle to feel proud of my stock. I think one's goals must be clear and well defined and some should stop trying to be all things to all people. Integrity, as I was taught.
 
this is what it looks like in a human child.
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I see NO reason for this Durham red to come to be so as to help destroy the perfectly good and developing breed of Red Angus, I believe that by doing this it will hinder the movement to a level playing field between red and black angus... but then again, I'm a kid and don't know two squirts... I just see this as said before similiar to the mistake made by the ASA to allow Maines into their registry....
 
What am I missing here? The red Durham is a composite breed. It won't mean the end of the Red Angus breed. Was the Beefmaster the end of the Hereford breed?
 
ga. prime":tfpufg8v said:
What am I missing here? The red Durham is a composite breed. It won't mean the end of the Red Angus breed. Was the Beefmaster the end of the Hereford breed?
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Seems to me it will only be a problem if the Red Angus Assn allows Shorthorn cattle carrying TH to be used in breeding up to Red Angus. Is there a test to identify cattle carrying TH?
 
Frankie":41avfzli said:
Seems to me it will only be a problem if the Red Angus Assn allows Shorthorn cattle carrying TH to be used in breeding up to Red Angus. Is there a test to identify cattle carrying TH?
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I would bet $5.00 to a donut that someone will try to use some of this composite to breed up to Red Angus. The Red Angus Assn. will have to not allow the breeding up to Reds, because if they don't someone will try to do it using the shorties as the base cows.
As it is now that could happen real easy.
 
The Red Angus Association doesn;t have any stipulations as to what breeds can be used to breed up from. I don;t think this Durham red thing will have a real affect on anything, either Red Angus or Shorthorns. To me it just sounds like so many of the other breeds trying to make a crossbreed legitimate. SimAngus, Balancers, etc.

dun
 
dun":155f7xmi said:
The Red Angus Association doesn;t have any stipulations as to what breeds can be used to breed up from. I don;t think this Durham red thing will have a real affect on anything, either Red Angus or Shorthorns. To me it just sounds like so many of the other breeds trying to make a crossbreed legitimate. SimAngus, Balancers, etc.

dun
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Exactly what they are trying to do. That's why the reds need to make stipulations as to what to breed up with. Personally I think they sould keep the registry closed to outside breeds except to Red gene carrying Blk Angus.
 
The Red Angus Association has alwasy allowed breeding up, that's why they have multiple categorys upto 1B which is bred up and 1A which is straight Red Angus. Since that's the principle that the association was founded on, don;t see any reason they should change the rules now. They've also alwasy supported crossbreeding, they did in the beginning and still do.

dun
 

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