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<blockquote data-quote="4CTophand" data-source="post: 613924" data-attributes="member: 9140"><p>redcowsrule---- </p><p>I understand where you are coming from there. The FB's had to change as they just wern't able to compete with the other breeds in the US and abroad.. Too much frame too much milk to long to finish --was a nightmare.. Now the FB ppl have come a long way since the days of the frame score double muscled 8 calf but with all sincerity---- the europeans wanted Meat lbs -- they didnt care about quality YG 2 QG High Choice beef. The one thing I see that really hurts the Flek people is their beef quality and frame scores. they still dont have a handle on that. I never purchase flek based cattle for the feed yard-- two reasons---- </p><p>they finish later -- eats up my already short getting shorter bottom line</p><p>and the QG just isnt there 90+ % Select-- and the YG isnt there seen so many flek sired calves run YG 0 and 1 if I was lucky. </p><p></p><p>Another thing PB Red Simms are hard to come by too -- there just arent too many worth a hoot as far as I am concerned . Red Angus are the worst gainers on earth-- For the past 10 years we have had Red Angus on Forage Bull tests and they are normally pathetic. Too bad that Red Angus has such limited Bulls with decent rates of gain among other important factors. As far as PB Red Simms there are about 5 Bulls in the USA that are decent.</p><p>Built Right hvy BW's</p><p>WS Beef Maker Best Red PB Simm today</p><p>Red Dream out of Dream On</p><p>Patriarch is just OK</p><p>old man ER Big Sky is OK</p><p>Bodybuilder-- fair</p><p></p><p>red PB Sims that are decent are mostly out of CNS Dream On as he is Heterozygous Black and loves to throw Red calves that no one wants to buy. </p><p>I have 2 yearling Bulls left that didn't go to the Forage Test Station they are both Red one is out of CNS Dream ON he had a BW of 71 AWW of 740 and a AYW of 1170 nice red bulls going to slaughter soon.</p><p>I have another Red Blazed faced Bull out of WS Beef Maker -- he had a BW of 65 lbs AWW of 730 out of a fleck cow (this Bull was her 13th calf and I took her to the sale barn in 2008 She was out of Bold Future lol; anyway he has a AYW of 1360 -- what a huge gainer he is.. he is headed to the kill floor soon. Just can't sell red bulls -- no one wants them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="4CTophand, post: 613924, member: 9140"] redcowsrule---- I understand where you are coming from there. The FB's had to change as they just wern't able to compete with the other breeds in the US and abroad.. Too much frame too much milk to long to finish --was a nightmare.. Now the FB ppl have come a long way since the days of the frame score double muscled 8 calf but with all sincerity---- the europeans wanted Meat lbs -- they didnt care about quality YG 2 QG High Choice beef. The one thing I see that really hurts the Flek people is their beef quality and frame scores. they still dont have a handle on that. I never purchase flek based cattle for the feed yard-- two reasons---- they finish later -- eats up my already short getting shorter bottom line and the QG just isnt there 90+ % Select-- and the YG isnt there seen so many flek sired calves run YG 0 and 1 if I was lucky. Another thing PB Red Simms are hard to come by too -- there just arent too many worth a hoot as far as I am concerned . Red Angus are the worst gainers on earth-- For the past 10 years we have had Red Angus on Forage Bull tests and they are normally pathetic. Too bad that Red Angus has such limited Bulls with decent rates of gain among other important factors. As far as PB Red Simms there are about 5 Bulls in the USA that are decent. Built Right hvy BW's WS Beef Maker Best Red PB Simm today Red Dream out of Dream On Patriarch is just OK old man ER Big Sky is OK Bodybuilder-- fair red PB Sims that are decent are mostly out of CNS Dream On as he is Heterozygous Black and loves to throw Red calves that no one wants to buy. I have 2 yearling Bulls left that didn't go to the Forage Test Station they are both Red one is out of CNS Dream ON he had a BW of 71 AWW of 740 and a AYW of 1170 nice red bulls going to slaughter soon. I have another Red Blazed faced Bull out of WS Beef Maker -- he had a BW of 65 lbs AWW of 730 out of a fleck cow (this Bull was her 13th calf and I took her to the sale barn in 2008 She was out of Bold Future lol; anyway he has a AYW of 1360 -- what a huge gainer he is.. he is headed to the kill floor soon. Just can't sell red bulls -- no one wants them. [/QUOTE]
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